ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Except WDI dollars are 4x as expensive as real world dollars, Diagon Alley cost less than NFL and there is no question who got more for their money.
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Except WDI dollars are 4x as expensive as real world dollars, Diagon Alley cost less than NFL and there is no question who got more for their money.
gmajew
Premium Member
Yeah that is why this can be done on that budget... WDI needs to get it together...
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
They do indeed.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
EPCOTCenterLover
Well-Known Member
"...and other properties". PLEASE tell me its TDL's Beauty and the Beast attraction.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Indeed. http://ny.eater.com/2016/3/30/11330754/citi-field-fuku Section 103. My season seats are section 101.
Edit to add....
I ate one of these a couple weeks ago. Absolutely fantastic. Worth the $12(I think that was the cost)
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alphac2005
Well-Known Member
Martin, people prefer to bury their heads in the sand and burn their dollars (or pounds).
I clearly noted some positives, but pixie dusters will just drone on anything that seems to contradict reality.
Fe Maiden
Well-Known Member
hpyhnt 1000
Well-Known Member
I'm talking many of the smaller gripes that get mentioned constantly - see the mini trip report by @alphac2005 earlier in this thread. Things like broken ride effects, dirty restrooms, short staffed areas, poor food quality, attractions at reduced capacity, broken lights, etc. All of those things are fixable within weeks.
Then you get to some of the larger items, like overhauls of attractions to bring them into the modern age. Depending on the complexity, an attraction would need to be down for anywhere from 4-12 months (ex: CoP and Pan could take 4-5 months to bring them into the 21st century, whereas new tracks for Space Mountain likely 12+ months). But still, within a year for most attractions if you're willing to let multiple ones go down simultaneously (anathema for WDW in the last decade).
Finally I admit there are the larger problems that aren't so easily solved: the sorry state of Epcot's Future World, DHS being a half day park, the over reliance and saturation of DVC across the resort, the resort's strained transportation system, etc. These fixes take years and, in some respects, a complete change in business mindset. But they are still possible.
Point is, many of the things we fans complain about are easily reversed within 6 months, IF there is sufficient will. The problem is that there is none within TWDC.
Edited for more accurate timelines.
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alphac2005
Well-Known Member
One other interesting thing to add from Saturday, all the sudden the payment system was down across the Magic Kingdom at all the kiosks. Our son wanted a frozen fruit bar, so we got that from the cart and paid with cash. We then went to get pretzels in Frontierland at a cart and the guy rang us up and told me to get the items from the other side of the cart. I was taken aback because we hadn't paid. The other Cast Member gave us the food and I said that we hadn't paid. She then let us know to enjoy it because the system was down and there was no charge. They were all manually logging all the items that they were essentially giving away. That was quite a surprise and clearly not a surprise that the spreadsheet readers were going to like from that particular afternoon!
JohnD
Well-Known Member
No SWW.
baymenxpac
Well-Known Member
hi, fellow mets fan (hopefully!). LGM!
yeah, the food at citi field is lightyears beyond anything you can get at WDW right now. i shudder to think that @alphac2005 paid over $50 to eat at cosmic ray's. that's just sheer and utter insanity.
alphac2005
Well-Known Member
From a hardcore Mets fan to another Mets fan, yup, $50. No joke.
JohnD
Well-Known Member
That's because people in the cross street have a tendency to run the red light. So, when the light turns green, we hesitate before going through. Red light running is incessant in Tallahassee. And yes, I'm one of those who hesitates. I like living, thank you.
baymenxpac
Well-Known Member
i wish you could have fallen for disney when i did. i was extremely fortunate to go twice a year from 1993 on all the way through the aughts. my first trip was in 1987. the feeling that the resort was capable of giving you back then was...ineffable. they're capable of so much more, and that's why it's just so sad to see what it has become.
unreal, man. unreal. and next time you're out at citi field and the7line army is there, i'll be there. let's have a brew and talk shop!
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
#lgm
$50 for 3 people with no booze involved. For quick service lunch. Positively outrageous.
WDWFanDave
Well-Known Member
This. And, perhaps as insignificant as I am on an individual basis, I go back and enjoy my time with my family there, in spite of the changes and apparent declines in quality. For those that changes really bother me personally, I speak up. If we don't speak up, they'll never know. Doesn't mean anything will change the way I would want it to change, but I still speak up.
Went just a few weeks ago, and in spite of everything that I've read on here about the changes and cutbacks, was one of the finest trips we've ever had...and the reason for that is the CMs. With only one exception, every single CM we interacted with on this trip was amazing. I had the pleasure of meeting some folks that are newly part of the WDW team, and some serious veterans. They aren't thrilled with the changes that are being thrust upon them from management ranks, but you really wouldn't know it on the surface. I'm sure if the cadence of the cuts and the severity continues, it will impact them even more and have a negative effect on attitudes outwardly as well.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
At Fenway that 50 would have still fed three but it would have included a beer! Simply outrageous.
JohnD
Well-Known Member
I was there early November and noticed the same thing.
TalkingHead
Well-Known Member
Oh, I get it. You mean it would take 18-24 months in Fantasyland. Seriously, put down the Tinker Bell pipe.
"MK really does not need much..." Hasn't had a new E-ticket in, oh, 25 years, but -- yeah -- it's doing just fine. The old attractions get older and more neglected, the new attractions fail to impress, new nighttime entertainment is needed. Let's move on.
"Epcot - fix imagination and energy"... By the time those are fixed (realistically, 2020? 2022? 2024?), M:S will be 20+ years old, Test Track will be 25+ years old, and Seas will be 15+ years old. See how it works? Disney has fallen so far behind that the parks will never catch up.
"HS is being done and cannot complain." When is it going to be "done," and what's it going to consist of? A new carnival area and top-notch (we hope) Star Wars expansion? They've closed half the park and that's all replacing it with? Who's paying $150 a day (which is what it will be by the time it opens) to ride two new Star Wars rides that will have 4 hour waits, because everything else in the park is either closed or ancient?
"AK is being done." With one new expansion and a nighttime show that missed its opening date? Anything else?
You didn't even touch the infrastructure problems, transportation, monorails, resort upkeep...
As some of us have been saying, WDW is off the rails, has been off the rails for years, and getting it back on the rails looks less and less likely with each passing day. There's simply too much to do which would require far too much money to make it happen, and the place has become so stagnant that the cost of bringing it up to speed would never get the Board's approval.