The Empress Lilly
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The Empress Lilly
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Yes, morality and PR are synonyms to TWDC. As for all fortune-500 companies. Sadly. But to me that's almost a footnote to this saga.
Do you strongly wish Gunn had never been hired? Or is this emphasis on Disney hypocrisy a certain 'we didn't do it...and besides, he did it too'?
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The deflection is laughable. How does pointing fingers at others excuse what Gunn did or discredit any decision Disney makes? Disney has every right to fire him, or even hire him back if they choose. But whining about what other people have said or done is a complete lack of an actual defense.
AEfx
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I disagree rather whole-heatedly.
These pictures ceased being a "private matter" when Gunn posted them publicly on his blog and named them from a "To Catch A Predator" themed party.
These weren't dug up from some jilted ex or hacked or otherwise ill-gotten, private pictures.
The Empress Lilly
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He didn't force the pics on anybody. Twitter and blogs is how you share stuff in the 21st century. Any non-consenting adult can simply not click the link.
Imagine a woman acting out her rape fantasy with another consenting adult. Being exhibitionists, they post their 'rape fest' pics on their 18+ website.
Should she be socially ostracised for making fun of rape victims? For turning rape into a game? Or is she merely engaging in her entirely private adult entertainment? And this being a free country, it being none of my business?
I find rape as distasteful as paedophilia. But roleplaying either by consenting adults is a private matter. Is he a sicko? Maybe, but not because of this. I'm not joining a hunt against deviant sexual behaviour. I don't peek through the keyhole of anybody's bedroom. (Or fetish club, or party, or blog, or anywhere populated exclusively with consenting adults, as in these pics)
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AEfx
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I guess I don't know what you are arguing. If they don't bother you, they don't bother you. You said a public tweet about rape is offensive, but a public blog post with pictures reenacting rape isn't?
Personally, I see it the opposite - one is planned and thought out, whereas the other can be an off-the-cuff thing (though the fact that there were so many is also very concerning). Which is why, all that said...I kind of feel like which one we personally find most offensive to really be beside the point - it isn't about "socially ostracizing" someone, but should they work for the WDC?
One way or another, these things add up to why the Disney company (I'm starting to realize rightly) doesn't want him to be representing their brand. Now, they screwed up eight ways from Sunday in how it was handled and (arguably, given there was a new matter in June that changed some of the context of his earlier blog posts) when they did it, but if I am Disney - I can't see how after this stuff is public knowledge, you want to be in business with the guy.
That doesn't mean I wouldn't watch a movie he made in the future, I think this stuff is sick but I also believe in judging art as art - but when art and commerce mix as they do at a corporate level at Disney, again - I see why they don't want this stuff haunting them. The cat is out of the bag, and if this stuff had broken during, say, the GotG3 premiere, and it was, as I gave an example elsewhere, the Mary Sue that uncovered these photos? This would be viewed a lot differently.
It is just a mess that is easily dealt with - because Gunn really isn't that much of a name to begin with outside of fandom. The greater public who pays to see these films doesn't know or care who directed them.
AEfx
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OMG...a day I never saw coming - the Mary Sue and I completely fricking agree.
"James Gunn may have been the victim of an alt-right troll campaign to bring him down, but if he hadn’t written out those many gross 'satirical provocateur' Tweets we wouldn’t be talking about this at all."
I guess that sort of also blows in the face of "it's only alt-right-trolls" who are "mock-offended".
"James Gunn may have been the victim of an alt-right troll campaign to bring him down, but if he hadn’t written out those many gross 'satirical provocateur' Tweets we wouldn’t be talking about this at all."
I guess that sort of also blows in the face of "it's only alt-right-trolls" who are "mock-offended".
asianway
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I’ve heard about it for years but I just yesterday read an article on there
AEfx
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I think how they generally view media only through one (often contradictory) lens to be really problematic in general (to use that catchy phrase), but I have to be fair and call them out when they do make some sense. If I didn't, I would be as guilty as those who completely dismiss a story because it comes from a "conservative" website.
Disneyhead'71
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I personally think that every single person who ever made a pedophilic Michael Jackson joke should spend the rest of the lives unemployed and homeless.
Frankie The Beer
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Here here! But I'll go one step further. I think everyone who has ever made a post on any social media should be unemployed, homeless and suffer from moderate patches of acne on their backs for the rest of their lives. Get them all!
Found the solution... #juvenilejokestillwanttoworksomeday
Princess Leia
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Anything going on today to make the wait times so low at AK, MK, and Epcot? It’s a summer weekend, I’m pretty shocked looking at these wait times (Test Track is currently closed, and Frozen is down to 25 minutes)
Imagination has the 5th highest wait time in the park right now (tied with Frozen). What kind of weird dimension are we in??
Imagination has the 5th highest wait time in the park right now (tied with Frozen). What kind of weird dimension are we in??
asianway
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School keeps starting earlier and earlier
Princess Leia
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True, but it still seems like weekends aren’t as affected.
Also, I think this all but proves that Epcot needs help. I know things will get crazy during the festivals, but WDW guests seem to be at every park but Epcot.
By those standards, Roseanne Bar should still have her job, correct?
IMO, A parks level of enjoyability is not correlated to the wait times of its attractions.
Princess Leia
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Oh that’s not how I feel either, but the crowds seemed to be higher at the parks that aren’t Epcot. If I was at Epcot, I would be thrilled (wait times have gone up since I initially looked though)
The Empress Lilly
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I followed Barr's story only in passing.
Gunn wouldn't have a job with me. And if I were Disney I'd go so far as to reskin the GotG coaster.
But not every smoke is fire, not everything flung at Gunn hits the mark. A thousand mistaken allegations does not make overwhelming evidence, it makes exactly zero evidence.
AEfx
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I think that is where the difference is - do you think any of us are actually suggesting that this is somehow evidence that he has physically assaulted children?
I haven't seen a single person say that, here, or frankly anywhere (although I'm sure somewhere some crazies have done so, it certainly isn't mainstream or typical as a couple of folks seem to want us to think).
There have been no "mistaken" allegations. Everything that has "resurfaced" is from Gunn's own twitter feed and blog posts.
I don't get what the dispute is - if you don't find these things offensive, you don't find them offensive - but what I don't understand is what "mistaken allegations" there are? He hasn't disputed any of these sick things. If we are going to declare as a society that this stuff is okay to joke about, that it is all harmless, then fine - then we shouldn't be destroying careers over perceived racial jokes, sexual jokes, etc. either.