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AEfx

AEfx

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The Empress Lilly said:
But not every smoke is fire, not everything flung at Gunn hits the mark. A thousand mistaken allegations does not make overwhelming evidence, it makes exactly zero evidence.
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I think that is where the difference is - do you think any of us are actually suggesting that this is somehow evidence that he has physically assaulted children?

I haven't seen a single person say that, here, or frankly anywhere (although I'm sure somewhere some crazies have done so, it certainly isn't mainstream or typical as a couple of folks seem to want us to think).

There have been no "mistaken" allegations. Everything that has "resurfaced" is from Gunn's own twitter feed and blog posts.

I don't get what the dispute is - if you don't find these things offensive, you don't find them offensive - but what I don't understand is what "mistaken allegations" there are? He hasn't disputed any of these sick things. If we are going to declare as a society that this stuff is okay to joke about, that it is all harmless, then fine - then we shouldn't be destroying careers over perceived racial jokes, sexual jokes, etc. either.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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wdisney9000 said:
By those standards, Roseanne Bar should still have her job, correct?
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Did Roseanne have anything in her contract about inappropriate behavior/social media content? If so, then no she shouldn't have a job. If she didn't have anything like that in her contract that yes, she should have a job. With Gunn, this happened prior to his contract with Disney and that's a HUGE difference.
 
The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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AEfx said:
I think that is where the difference is - do you think any of us are actually suggesting that this is somehow evidence that he has physically assaulted children?

I haven't seen a single person say that, here, or frankly anywhere (although I'm sure somewhere some crazies have done so, it certainly isn't mainstream or typical as a couple of folks seem to want us to think).

There have been no "mistaken" allegations. Everything that has "resurfaced" is from Gunn's own twitter feed and blog posts.

I don't get what the dispute is - if you don't find these things offensive, you don't find them offensive - but what I don't understand is what "mistaken allegations" there are? He hasn't disputed any of these sick things. If we are going to declare as a society that this stuff is okay to joke about, that it is all harmless, then fine - then we shouldn't be destroying careers over perceived racial jokes, sexual jokes, etc. either.
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We seem to have lost each other's point.

I'm just saying that I judge every individual Gunn tweet/picture/whatever separately. Some cross the line for me, some don't. I do not want to cry foul over any particular Gunn picture that I would accept from others, simply because I think he is a sicko. That would be reversing proper order - he is a sicko because his tweets are sick, his tweets are not sick because he is a sicko.
 
The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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AEfx said:
That doesn't mean I wouldn't watch a movie he made in the future, I think this stuff is sick but I also believe in judging art as art
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Hmmm....I'm not so sure how I feel about that myself.

I do not watch films/sports teams with rapists in them (well I've most likely never watched either one without any, but not to my knowledge). While nothing has emerged about Gunn acting on his bizarre hobby, even him, or Lasseter, make me uneasy. Let's say I shan't be buying the GotG BluRay box, and that I find the Guardians in a Disney park even more offensive than before.
 
smile

smile

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far as i'm aware, the official position is that twdc was unaware of the posts in question and wouldn't have signed him on if they were
- how they came to light was made irrelevant by the fact they were acknowledged by him and, more importantly, posted publicly to begin with.

we all know twdc has billions of reasons to stay as far away from anything remotely related to something going anywhere near pedo stuff... and he's certainly not vital
 
Kman101

Kman101

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The Empress Lilly said:
Yes, morality and PR are synonyms to TWDC. As for all fortune-500 companies. Sadly. But to me that's almost a footnote to this saga.

Do you strongly wish Gunn had never been hired? Or is this emphasis on Disney hypocrisy a certain 'we didn't do it...and besides, he did it too'?
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I wouldn't have hired him knowing about those tweets. They were asking for problems, and they got them. Hindsight is always 20/20 of course. But if they knew about them like I believe they did, they shouldn't have hired him. The hypocrisy (on numerous levels) is strong with Disney. I'm not saying they weren't justified in firing him or that his behavior wasn't disturbing. But by hiring in the first place, firing him over something they tolerated is hypocritical. How is it not? But you're right, I shouldn't expect morals to be at play here. I look at things differently I guess.
 
Kman101

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Princess Leia said:
Anything going on today to make the wait times so low at AK, MK, and Epcot? It’s a summer weekend, I’m pretty shocked looking at these wait times (Test Track is currently closed, and Frozen is down to 25 minutes)
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Imagination has the 5th highest wait time in the park right now (tied with Frozen). What kind of weird dimension are we in??


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Likely schools starting earlier. August is also horribly hot. And summer for many is pretty much over. August is one of the "less busy" times to go. Which is probably why they want Halloween parties in August.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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RSoxNo1 said:
Did Roseanne have anything in her contract about inappropriate behavior/social media content? If so, then no she shouldn't have a job. If she didn't have anything like that in her contract that yes, she should have a job. With Gunn, this happened prior to his contract with Disney and that's a HUGE difference.
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In the end, though - Disney still has the right to cease working with anyone at any time - they just need to take care of any financial obligations to the person. I mean, this happens for dozens of reasons in Hollywood all the time.

An interesting note that I haven't seen mentioned, apparently, Gunn hadn't been officially hired as director of the next film yet. Production isn't that far along. Of course he was widely expected/assumed to be, he hadn't officially been announced. I will be curious to see if that plays into any settlement - while he likely had a multi-picture deal, you still have to sign new deals for every film for various reasons. That may be why Disney's statement used the phrase "severed our ties" versus "let him go from the production", etc.
 
asianway

asianway

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AEfx said:
In the end, though - Disney still has the right to cease working with anyone at any time - they just need to take care of any financial obligations to the person. I mean, this happens for dozens of reasons in Hollywood all the time.

An interesting note that I haven't seen mentioned, apparently, Gunn hadn't been officially hired as director of the next film yet. Production isn't that far along. Of course he was widely expected/assumed to be, he hadn't officially been announced. I will be curious to see if that plays into any settlement - while he likely had a multi-picture deal, you still have to sign new deals for every film for various reasons. That may be why Disney's statement used the phrase "severed our ties" versus "let him go from the production", etc.
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You see Bautista doubled down?
 
VJ

VJ

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Chief Technology Officer at Walt Disney Imagineering, Scott Watson, 55, killed in plane crash.

"Bob Weis, president, Walt Disney Imagineering, released a statement saying that the company was “stunned and saddened by the loss of our long-time friend and colleague.” The statement continued, saying that “those of us who worked with Scott during his nearly 30-year career at Disney knew him as a humble genius who made making magic look easy.”"

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/08/13/sylmar-fatal-plane-crash-investigation/
 
Stitchon

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ChrisFL

ChrisFL

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My thoughts on the James Gunn situation- there's no 100% right or wrong option, however Disney KNEW James Gunn said those things, they KNEW he apologized in 2012 and he's done no similar actions or tweets since. The Disney knee-jerk reaction of immediately firing him was the worst part of that.

Will Disney get rid of any Seth MacFarlane shows when they take over Fox, because he's made some pretty awful comments ON his actual TV shows that could be construed badly. It's called shock humor and there used to be a time where we could accept it for what it is and not read too far into it. Yes, what James Gunn said was horrific, but that was the point! That was the kind of industry he was in with Troma at the time.

Using the same situation, I don't think Roseanne should have been fired, but given some "cool off" time to make up for it. I'm in no way a fan of hers, but she's been making shock humor for years also.

I mean, I watched Top Gear and now The Grand Tour with Jeremy Clarkson who has said some horrible things as well, but I'm still a fan of his and don't think he'd ever really harm someone.

For Disney/Marvel this is a really bad situation because the MCU has been such a cash cow and Guardians has been a huge part of that. I think they should have given James Gunn a different role, maybe just as a producer/consultant, but use the same script and not allow him to direct the film. Something of a compromise, but that ship has sailed I fear.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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I'm kind of disappointed that I don't see more people talking about Ruby Rose being harassed off of Twitter after being cast as Batwoman. Disappointed, but not surprised - given how the culprits in this case don't fit the current cultural narrative of dismissing "toxic fandom" being driven by crazy misogynistic neo-Nazis, LOL.

Sorry, Rian Johnson - next excuse? ;)
 

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