A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

[AEfx]

No ones pointed me to a full apology yet...

Not to mention...reportedly Disney was not aware of the extent of this - people keep saying Disney knew for a fact about all of this, but that has not been established. Disney may be woefully negligent if they didn't, but that is another topic. When people say "joke tweets" they are over-simplifying it, as well - it was also blog posts and pictures posted on his site.

 

[AEfx]

OMG...Disney is claiming "fair use" LOL and taking on "overzealous copyright holders".

I'm dying. @Rodan75 .

 

[Princess Leia]

I'm kind of disappointed that I don't see more people talking about Ruby Rose being harassed off of Twitter after being cast as Batwoman. Disappointed, but not surprised - given how the culprits in this case don't fit the current cultural narrative of dismissing "toxic fandom" being driven by crazy misogynistic neo-Nazis, LOL.

Sorry, Rian Johnson - next excuse?

I just didn’t bring up since it wasn’t Disney related.

It’s awful and Twitter needs to be destroyed

 

[AEfx]

I just didn’t bring up since it wasn’t Disney related.

It’s awful and Twitter needs to be destroyed

Not even so much talking here, but just in general - it is being reported on, but I'm not seeing much reaction versus, say, when Kelly Tran left Twitter.

It might not be the Disney company, but it does speak to a lot of the themes and discussions we have had around here of late - and it relates back to them IMO by how the situations are being treated/interpreted. I think a lot of people are afraid to touch it because they then have to admit several inconvenient things - most importantly, that there are extremist mobs on both sides, but also the suddenly complicated discussion about what an actor is allowed to play or not - and who does one support here when the infighting is within the same "community" (those that identify as LGBTQ).

There are a lot of contradictions that people would need to resolve in order to weigh in on it. That's why people aren't talking more about it - if, like people keep dismissing the Gunn situation over, the outrage was coming from "alt right trolls", I think people would be a whole lot more vocal and upset that yet another person was harassed and bullied off of social media.

 

[Rodan75]

I'm kind of disappointed that I don't see more people talking about Ruby Rose being harassed off of Twitter after being cast as Batwoman. Disappointed, but not surprised - given how the culprits in this case don't fit the current cultural narrative of dismissing "toxic fandom" being driven by crazy misogynistic neo-Nazis, LOL.

Sorry, Rian Johnson - next excuse?

1. Not Disney related.
2. No longer giving you oxygen to keep hammering the same points over and over again.

 

[AEfx]

No longer giving you oxygen to keep hammering the same points over and over again.

Ouch. Someone took a general observation a bit personally. It isn't my fault that more incidents are happening that are proving me correct.

 

[brb1006]

Finally some D23 2019 news!

D23 Expo 2019 media preview and art reveal

 

[CalebS]

Does Disney ever announce anything at Destination D in Orlando?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Does Disney ever announce anything at Destination D in Orlando?

Yes, how to become a gold member.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I'm kind of disappointed that I don't see more people talking about Ruby Rose being harassed off of Twitter after being cast as Batwoman. Disappointed, but not surprised - given how the culprits in this case don't fit the current cultural narrative of dismissing "toxic fandom" being driven by crazy misogynistic neo-Nazis, LOL.

Sorry, Rian Johnson - next excuse?

Harassed away....or princessy millenial egos that just can't take criticism anymore?


Edit: as for the second point, yes, nobody does crazy pitchfork mob better than the left / college aged / identity politics obsessed. The alt right's got nothing on their lunacy and flimsyness, driven by an absolutists belief in being right and correct. Borrowing from religious extremists that marriage between morality and intellect that lends zeal and righteousness to their intellectual ideas and uncritical intellectual scrutiny to their moral ones.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

It's kind of a weird place we're in... the point of acting is pretending to be things you're not? If Batwoman can only be played by a Jewish lesbian (how many of those actresses are there?), then I just don't think a Batwoman show is likely to go forward. Then you won't get LGB or Jewish representation. I think it's asking too much for our faking to be real.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

It's kind of a weird place we're in... the point of acting is pretending to be things you're not? If Batwoman can only be played by a Jewish lesbian (how many of those actresses are there?), then I just don't think a Batwoman show is likely to go forward. Then you won't get LGB or Jewish representation. I think it's asking too much for our faking to be real.

I didn't understand this part of the criticism either.

It seems to be a bit contradictory too. The demand is that the lesbian Jew can only be played by a lesbian Jew. Combined with the demand that identities are fluid and not defining, that is, anybody can be any gender or orientation, and that race doesn't exist.
Nor do body types exist for that matter, nobody is too fat or too thin to play any role, or else they are bodyshamed.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Ruby Rose is a lesbian. She's been hired to play Batwoman. So what? I don't understand how an actor or actresses sexuality affects their acting abilities one iota.

 

[Kman101]

It's kind of a weird place we're in... the point of acting is pretending to be things you're not? If Batwoman can only be played by a Jewish lesbian (how many of those actresses are there?), then I just don't think a Batwoman show is likely to go forward. Then you won't get LGB or Jewish representation. I think it's asking too much for our faking to be real.

This "bullying for equality" needs to stop. For me, it washes away the point they're ultimately trying to make. (And no one please take this as me against equality, lol, but some of the tacticts used are disgusting and bullying and to me that just negates the point someone is trying to make, whether I agree with them or not)

 

[Mike S]

Normal people don’t give a crap about such trivial things. Anyone can play any role as long as they're good at it.

 

[The_Jobu]

Ruby Rose is a lesbian. She's been hired to play Batwoman. So what? I don't understand how an actor or actresses sexuality affects their acting abilities one iota.

It's even dumber than that. Batwoman is a lesbian, but far-left whackadoos went after Ruby because she was a)"too conventionally attractive" and b)not "lesbian enough"

The internet is a magical place.

 

[asianway]

It's even dumber than that. Batwoman is a lesbian, but far-left whackadoos went after Ruby because she was a)"too conventionally attractive" and b)not "lesbian enough"

The internet is a magical place.

How can the same people who do such things also champion color blind casting? I dont get it

 

[Mike S]

How can the same people who do such things also champion color blind casting? I dont get it

Because they’re hypocrites.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

How can the same people who do such things also champion color blind casting? I dont get it

It’s a toolbox for increasing total representation of underrepresented groups.

 

[AEfx]

It’s a toolbox for increasing total representation of underrepresented groups.

It is true. I know many of these people, and they aren't stupid. They know what they are doing, many are aware of the inherent contradictions in what they preach - but they see it as a means to the end, it's all about "ending patriarchy" so it is okay to ignore arguments that don't follow or match because they need to "keep their eye on the goal". What they don't realize is that this turns nearly everyone else off, even those that would agree with and support them.

I mean, just the basic "okay, if a gay person has to play a gay person, does that mean a gay person can't play a straight person?"

It also is a movement that will pounce on any bad information or data they are given, so long as it reflects their agenda, no matter where it comes from. They quote places like SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) and other "independent" organizations (who depend on continued donations to stay alive) and whatever "reports" they issue, never questioning or even really reading them in many cases.

Example, I'll have to look it up when I have a chance this weekend and share the link - but I saw a really good argument earlier this week (from a fellow gay person) about how the newest "reports" claim that gay representation is still inadequate in media, yet when you actually parse the statistics - we are actually over-represented by about 1%, if you really analyze the numbers intellectually honestly. It is incredibly close, something like 6.5% of people are gay IRL, and 7.5% of regulars on TV shows are now gay.

What did that same report do, instead of cheering this? The ignore it, and say it still isn't good enough, because there aren't enough characters who are "intersectionally" trans-disabled-darker-skinned at the same time...we are really dialing down into the weeds.