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A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

AEfx

AEfx

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Kman101 said:
Yep, he was wrong and it is sick. But none of us still don't "know him". I can see why Disney is hesitant to say or do anything (they clam up and hope it goes away) but they have gotten some pushback on this.
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I don't think anyone "knows him" but I do now see why Disney would want to sever ties with him.

I also don't think "hesitant" is the right word to use in regard to Disney - they made an official statement and severed ties with him. It is the media and places like this that are keeping it going. Disney doesn't need to announce anything further, they "severed" ties with him in a public statement. It is done unless they suddenly say otherwise, which at this point - I don't see how that happens.

This has turned into far, far more than "a few old joke tweets" -there is just too much of this stuff, between blog posts and pictures of "parties", and people just don't want to see it and dismissing all this out of hand are simply digging in their heels because they don't want it to be true and are conveniently using one of the people who is bringing stuff to light to dismiss it.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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AEfx said:
I don't think anyone "knows him" but I do now see why Disney would want to sever ties with him.

I also don't think "hesitant" is the right word to use in regard to Disney - they made an official statement and severed ties with him. It is the media and places like this that are keeping it going. Disney doesn't need to announce anything further, they "severed" ties with him in a public statement. It is done unless they suddenly say otherwise, which at this point - I don't see how that happens.

This has turned into far, far more than "a few old joke tweets" -there is just too much of this stuff, between blog posts and pictures of "parties", and people just don't want to see it and dismissing all this out of hand are simply digging in their heels because they don't want it to be true and are conveniently using one of the people who is bringing stuff to light to dismiss it.
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All god points. Not sure if the last part is an any way geared towards me, but not trying to defend it or dismiss it (EDIT: But I can see how it may be taken that way). I support the firing but I still see it as hypocritical when they hired him in the first place, knowing about it. That's the reason most logical people have a problem with it. We're somewhat on the same page but we just look at it differently.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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Mike S said:
Family Guy is now Disney. By firing Gunn they’re hypocrites.
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And that's all I've been trying to say. No one here, to my knowledge, "condones" what he did. They hired him knowing about the tweets. I know to some that's seen as dismissing what he's done, but it's not to me.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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asianway said:
Amazing how DisTwitter clams up when stuff like this surfaces.

Also it appears we re-entered the denial phase
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Yup. And people are even admitting it - "I'm not paying attention to this because I don't like the source that is uncovering it".

You can go back and see my original post about this, I was outraged that Disney fired him over some old tweets - because I believed what people were saying, that was all it was. But the more and more stuff that comes out - blog posts, pictures from parties, etc. - I'm sorry, if I am Disney, I don't want this guy anywhere near my franchise.

It really is disappointing to me that people care more about politics than the actual the truth - if any centrist/conservative had these things in their past, the outrage would be deafening. The fact that people are using every mental gymnastic trick in the book to give Gunn a pass on this stuff is absolutely devastating to me - because it just shows how far we have fallen as a society when people are willing to defend this kind of stuff because they really like a couple of movies this guy made, and/or they like his politics.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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Kman101 said:
All god points. Not sure if the last part is an any way geared towards me, but not trying to defend it or dismiss it (EDIT: But I can see how it may be taken that way). I support the firing but I still see it as hypocritical when they hired him in the first place, knowing about it. That's the reason most logical people have a problem with it. We're somewhat on the same page but we just look at it differently.
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No, I was just expanding upon the topic. I didn't think you were defending him.

While I too have believed that Disney was aware of all this, just to be clear - many of the reports stated that they were not aware of the extent of it. And by calling it all about "tweets" we are ignoring the many many blog posts that also had this type of content.

Now, we may find this hard to believe - and if it is true, that they needed to do more diligence - but we are also talking a number of years ago when he was hired where the environment was quite different.

As far as I can tell, he cleaned up his act around the time he started working for Disney - which to me says he didn't do it because "oh I saw the light" it was "okay, I gotta keep my nose clean now".

I don't think they are opposing thoughts to think that both Disney could have handled this much better, while at the same time given all that is coming out to also acknowledge that this was a toxic bomb waiting to explode. Can you imagine if this story had broken on opening weekend of GotG3? And this is just all the public stuff...who knows what is out there. If he thought this stuff was okay in public, who knows what he has said/done in private.

Disney didn't go about it right, and should have done due diligence to nip this long ago - but that doesn't change that ultimately, I have changed my mind and think they did do the right thing for the company.

But, hey, Disney made Song of the South with tar babies 70-some-years ago, so what hypocrites, right? :rolleyes:
 
Mike S

Mike S

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GoofGoof said:
Family guy can be really funny, but I just can’t watch when that creepy old guy is on it. Just the voice is enough to make me cringe.
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He’s one of the best characters on the show!!! Lol

I guess I’m a dirty rotten person that deserves no success in life for thinking it’s funny though. Oh well.
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AEfx said:
Yup. And people are even admitting it - "I'm not paying attention to this because I don't like the source that is uncovering it".

You can go back and see my original post about this, I was outraged that Disney fired him over some old tweets - because I believed what people were saying, that was all it was. But the more and more stuff that comes out - blog posts, pictures from parties, etc. - I'm sorry, if I am Disney, I don't want this guy anywhere near my franchise.

It really is disappointing to me that people care more about politics than the actual the truth - if any centrist/conservative had these things in their past, the outrage would be deafening. The fact that people are using every mental gymnastic trick in the book to give Gunn a pass on this stuff is absolutely devastating to me - because it just shows how far we have fallen as a society when people are willing to defend this kind of stuff because they really like a couple of movies this guy made, and/or they like his politics.
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I don’t care about the politics, I care about the person. By all accounts he was a changed man with all of these people coming in to support him. That shows this was behind him before he got hired.
 
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AEfx

AEfx

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Mike S said:
I don’t care about the politics, I care about the person. By all accounts he was a changed man with all of these people coming in to support him. That shows this was behind him before he got hired.
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I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the people who are doing exactly what I said - basically putting their fingers in their ears "I don't wanna hear this" because they don't like who the info is coming from.

That said, I do disagree - he was still doing this stuff up until the time he started working for Disney. I think he just cleaned up his act because he knew he couldn't keep that stuff up and work for Disney. I don't necessarily think that was some "major growth" - the guy was in his 40's when he did and said this stuff - I can't just put it off as "oh he grew..."

You can also be a kind guy, who is good to work with, and still be really frigging creepy. "People like him!" is really the weakest defense I can think of.

This last batch of stuff convinced me, that even if I don't like how it happened, and I think Disney could have handled it much better - this guy doesn't belong anywhere near the company and better late than never.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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AEfx said:
I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the people who are doing exactly what I said - basically putting their fingers in their ears "I don't wanna hear this" because they don't like who the info is coming from.

That said, I do disagree - he was still doing this stuff up until the time he started working for Disney. I think he just cleaned up his act because he knew he couldn't keep that stuff up and work for Disney. I don't necessarily think that was some "major growth" - the guy was in his 40's when he did and said this stuff - I can't just put it off as "oh he grew..."

You can also be a kind guy, who is good to work with, and still be really frigging creepy. "People like him!" is really the weakest defense I can think of.

This last batch of stuff convinced me, that even if I don't like how it happened, and I think Disney could have handled it much better - this guy doesn't belong anywhere near the company and better late than never.
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It wasn’t just “oh we like him!!!” They were vouching for his character and the type of person he is with one saying how he helped them speak out against abuse that happened to them. All this just sounds like a good guy with a different kind of humor, not some creeper. Like has been pointed before there have been no alleged actions. He’s not a bad guy. If this is enough to get him fired from Disney though I would also expect Disney to try and sever Seth McFarlane. I mean, he hasn’t only made pedo jokes but also “Disney hates Jews” jokes. Can’t have that in the squeaky clean House of Mouse. I don’t think either should lose jobs for these reasons but if Disney actually cares about this they might as well for the sake of consistency. This won’t happen though because we all know this isn’t about any kind of standard they have. It’s about the fact that people who wanted to take Gunn down hunted for the ammo they needed and let the mob do the rest. Even if Disney only knew about the tweets previously they still didn’t care and hired him anyway. There’s only a standard when PR calls for it, plain and simple. Disney lacks a spine.
 
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AEfx

AEfx

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Mike S said:
If this is enough to get him fired from Disney though I would also expect Disney to try and sever Seth McFarlane. I mean, he hasn’t only made pedo jokes but also “Disney hates Jews” jokes. Can’t have that in the squeaky clean House of Mouse. Btw I don’t think either should lose jobs for these reasons but if Disney actually cares about this they might as well for the sake of consistency.
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When did Disney hire McFarlane? They haven't even bought Fox yet. Just stop for a second and realize what you are saying. It is unreasonable and hyperbolic.

I'm sure things and relationships will change when you have one company who will end up owning half of Hollywood all told.

By constantly trying to deflect from Gunn you are truly falling for "whataboutism" - an over-used term, and one that is often misunderstood and misused - but it actually totally applies here.

I've changed my mind on this one as more evidence has come to light. I still think Disney could have handled this 100x better, and hopefully will learn for the future. No one is saying you can't still feel the same. As yucky as I think he is, I wouldn't have demanded his removal - but I can certainly now see why Disney doesn't want to be in business with him.
 
LSLS

LSLS

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I just have trouble getting over a 40+ year old non-comedian trying to make these types of jokes on social media. I mean at best, they were tweets that were trying to be edgy and funny that were done REALLY badly. I'm good deal younger and not remotely famous, and I've known for a decade that it would be a bad idea to try and walk a line with my social media accounts.
 
The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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AEfx said:
I was just kidding, because I assumed it wasn't a big deal. Well, after all this talk - I just sought it out, and wow - it is pretty bad. It may not change anyone's mind, but I think it's getting to be a bit too much to say that people are just "digging" - why is so much of this stuff around to dig up?

That said, it isn't about his costume.

It's about the fact that he was at a "To Catch A Predator" party themed around freaking pedophilia. And pictures of him with adults dressed like children posing pretending to be being abused.

I'm sorry, that's just freaking sicko. If I am Disney, and I am investing money into GoG as a franchise, including theme park attractions (it will be the first big Marvel attraction at WDW, it already is a super-popular one at DCA), I get why they don't want him anywhere near the brand.
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After my initial shock, I now think these particular pictures are irrelevant and a private matter. I'm not interested in what people do for recreation when everybody involved is a consenting adult.

Compare:
1 Rape joke tweet: Lol Mike Tyson would know how to handle a 12 year old (or some such)
2 Two adults photographing themselves living out a rape fantasy role-play, in private

1 is offensive, 2 a private matter, irrespective of personal taste.
 

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