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Progress.City

Progress.City

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FrankLapidus said:
No, and suggesting they would is absolute lunacy.

Star Wars' current shortcomings are down to the poor leadership of Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm, not some ridiculous scheme on Disney's part. Kennedy and LF have, for better or worse, hired the wrong directors (Rian Johnson), micro-managed others (Gareth Edwards) and fired others whose concepts and ideas for SW films were patently different from Lucasfilm's from the point they were hired (Josh Trank, Lord & Miller). Lucasfilm's problem is that, since the takeover, it has heralded itself as a studio that is prepared to give opportunities to a new generation of emerging film-makers that were influenced by SW, only to then stifle those film-makers because Kennedy and the clueless story group at Lucasfilm (Kiri Hart, et al) do not appear to have any clue as to what they want Star Wars to be, hence why J.J. Abrams has been brought back to salvage the last remaining film in the current trilogy and Ron Howard was parachuted in to rescue Solo when Lucasfilm realised they'd made a mistake in hiring Lord & Miller. Kennedy and the story group are simply throwing things against the wall and hoping that it sticks; I'm not a Marvel fan but Lucasfilm needs a Kevin Feige, someone who is going to sit down and come up with a plan for the future of the franchise so that the studio stops lurching from one fired director to the next, so that they don't end up with another TLJ which has divided the fanbase and has raised some fairly pertinent questions about the future of Star Wars under the Disney/Lucasfilm umbrella.
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Great post! Why didn’t they realize they made a mistake with Rian Johnson while the movie was in development?

And is the rumor true that Kathleen Kennedy may be forced out or fired?

Also, what’s the deal about the Solo trailer? It should have been out by now...
 
FrankLapidus

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Progress.City said:
Great post! Why didn’t they realize they made a mistake with Rian Johnson while the movie was in development?

And is the rumor true that Kathleen Kennedy may be forced out or fired?

Also, what’s the deal about the Solo trailer? It should have been out by now...
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Any why did they hire him to write a new trilogy before TLJ was released and they had a chance to judge the response to the job that he did on the film?

I have no idea whether KK is on the outs, I haven't seen or heard those rumours myself.

Solo pretty much sums up Lucasfilm at the moment; four months out from release, production was chaotic, there have been reports claiming that Disney expect the film to tank, we've yet to see anything of any note save for artwork that is on the leaked Lego sets (although Disney denied that that artwork was legitimate when it first leaked) and then they release a synopsis that tells us nothing about the film save for that it will feature Han Solo's first encounters with Chewbacca and Lando Calrissian...which we knew from the get-go. I'm cautiously holding out hope for the film but Disney & Lucasfilm have to give us something soon, be it promotional shots or an actual trailer, that might go some way to turning the tide of negative press that Solo is already facing.
 
Progress.City

Progress.City

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I just want to say that when Empire Strikes Back came out, I bought the sound track on 8-track cassette. It came with a special printed insert with an interview with John Williams. In that interview, Williams said that Lucas showed him the stories for all 9 movies. He said all 3 trilogies were to have a unique look and feel to them, with the middle trilogy being action/adventure, the prequels being more mysterious with political intrigue, and the sequel trilogy was to be more “science fiction” oriented. We got maybe pretty much of what was planned for the prequels, but we are not getting what was planned for the sequels. That is very sad.
 
Progress.City

Progress.City

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peter11435 said:
Not everyone thinks there’s a problem with where he took the story and the characters.
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It was as if he didn’t care about story consistency. He took everything JJ Abrams set up and tossed it away (Luke tossing his light saber quite literally shows this). It had its moments, such as the message in R2 and Kilo Ren and Rey teaming up to kill Snoke. But he cared more about developing his new characters (probably because he wanted that trilogy that was given to him) more than developing everything Abrams and Lucas had set up for him. And it breaks many Star Wars traditions - such as no transition wipes between scenes. Also, lines like “God speed” in a Star Wars movie?! Many themes were rehashed from Empire and RotJ, such as “if you will not turn, then maybe...” And Snoke looking out the window, as Emporer Palpatine did in RotJ, predicting the fate of ensuing battle outside. At those moments, it felt more of a remake than a sequel.
 
Progress.City

Progress.City

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In summary, Disney made money, but they alienated many fans. More so than the prequels ever did. It is because of this fact that Disney has a major problem of risking future diminishing returns on the franchise sooner than later. Their only hope now is make darn sure that the Solo movie is good enough to win people back.

And I don’t know what JJ Abrams could do to make everything right again. Pretend like Episode 8 was a spin off movie, and make an Episode 10 to close off the sequel “trilogy”?
 
peter11435

peter11435

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Progress.City said:
It was as if he didn’t care about story consistency. He took everything JJ Abrams set up and tossed it away (Luke tossing his light saber quite literally shows this). It had its moments, such as the message in R2 and Kilo Ren and Rey teaming up to kill Snoke. But he cared more about developing his new characters (probably because he wanted that trilogy that was given to him) more than developing everything Abrams and Lucas had set up for him. And it breaks many Star Wars traditions - such as no transition wipes between scenes. Also, lines like “God speed” in a Star Wars movie?! Many themes were rehashed from Empire and RotJ, such as “if you will not turn, then maybe...” And Snoke looking out the window, as Emporer Palpatine did in RotJ, predicting the fate of ensuing battle outside. At those moments, it felt more of a remake than a sequel.
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Again. People have different opinions. IMO nothing about the film is inconsistent with the story unless you’re referring to the story you wanted to see.

You can’t criticize any lines in TLJ compared to previous Star Wars films and keep a straight face.
 
Progress.City

Progress.City

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peter11435 said:
Again. People have different opinions. IMO nothing about the film is inconsistent with the story unless you’re referring to the story you wanted to see.

You can’t criticize any lines in TLJ compared to previous Star Wars films and keep a straight face.
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Well, that’s my opinion. Everyone is entitled to theirs.
 
bclane

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Progress.City said:
It was as if he didn’t care about story consistency. He took everything JJ Abrams set up and tossed it away (Luke tossing his light saber quite literally shows this). It had its moments, such as the message in R2 and Kilo Ren and Rey teaming up to kill Snoke. But he cared more about developing his new characters (probably because he wanted that trilogy that was given to him) more than developing everything Abrams and Lucas had set up for him. And it breaks many Star Wars traditions - such as no transition wipes between scenes. Also, lines like “God speed” in a Star Wars movie?! Many themes were rehashed from Empire and RotJ, such as “if you will not turn, then maybe...” And Snoke looking out the window, as Emporer Palpatine did in RotJ, predicting the fate of ensuing battle outside. At those moments, it felt more of a remake than a sequel.
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The godspeed line from Holdo is not a departure for Star Wars. There are races in the galaxy that worship a god or gods (for example Yuuzhan Vong gods, the Zakuul old gods, and the Keshiri gods, called the Skyborn). Uncle Owen said the word Hell in IV and Han said it in Empire. Leia has been known to say Lord. 3PO was worried about being worshipped as a god by the Ewoks in IV. But you are free to dislike the movie....
 

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