A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

britain

britain

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smile said:
smile now considers he is being trolled.

if not, are you aware that particular endeavor appears, as of now, to have been be an abject failure?
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No trolling. That was exactly my point. China has sampled Star Wars, and is less and less interested. I consider TLJ’s poor opening performance China’s way of saying “Meh” to both Force Awakens and Rogue One.

(Like how Dead Mans Chest’s opening was a vote of confidence in Black Pearl)
 
FrankLapidus

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The biggest problem with The Last Jedi, for me, is the man who wrote an awful script and then directed a film that was all over the place.

And it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence for the future of Star Wars that they've already hired Rian Johnson to write and direct a new trilogy.

Given that Lucasfilm has now fired Josh Trank, Lord & Miller and Colin Trevorrow (although I am supremely grateful for that last one given I thought Jurassic World was terrible), I'm not sure that Kathy Kennedy and the higher ups at LF have a firm enough grasp on what they're doing.
 
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bclane

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asianway said:
Those MCU characters are established and have 50 years of history, stories, and familiarity behind them. A far cry from Rose: The Trilogy
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And Star Wars has 40 years of history with comics, books, movies, and lot's of familiarity. Not sure I understand your point. To me, you don't even need all that to be successful though if done right. My kids enjoyed every MCU movie that has come out and they have very little experience with the 50 years of Marvel history. The movies were done in such a way that even a total comic universe noob can enjoy them. Obivously it is a richer experience for someone who grew up with the comics.

And while yeah, obviously a Rose trilogy would be a bad choice, it's a big galaxy.
 
cheshirecakes33

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Bairstow said:
Having "spinoff" movies in between installments of the current sequel trilogy is already diluting the importance of the brand as it is.
Having multiple trilogies running at once would likely exacerbate the problem, especially in the international market, which can barely keep track of these things as it is.
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My dad is itching for a Darth Vader movie(s) that take place after Ep3 and before Ep4 .
 
bclane

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Cesar R M said:
There are not enough interesting characters to fuel multiple star wars trilogies.
And almost all the interesting characters have been killed already.

Theres craploads of chars for Marvel and a very big group of interesting ones.
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I disagree. It's an incredibly big galaxy with limitless possibilities. For example, I think you could do a whole trilogy about Mandalore and it's place in the galaxy/war and we barely know anything about the Mandalorians from the movies alone. imo, there are endless possibilities.
 
smile

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cheshirecakes33 said:
My dad is itching for a Darth Vader movie(s) that take place after Ep3 and before Ep4 .
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we all are... or, at least, were.
but a good narrative along those lines is harder than you think when you dig into it - and without a good story, that idea'll blow up in your face.

i'd actually feel palpable desperation if it were to show up now, as diz is far more concerned with sw story-lines since acquisistion, as evident.

... rogue one's prob the closest we'll get, and while set-up for absolute GOLD, i thought it was merely good (as low as 'serviceable' depending on mood lol)
 
Cesar R M

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bclane said:
I disagree. It's an incredibly big galaxy with limitless possibilities. For example, I think you could do a whole trilogy about Mandalore and it's place in the galaxy/war and we barely know anything about the Mandalorians from the movies alone. imo, there are endless possibilities.
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Thats not a character.

They really need to introduce more heroes than what we've seen in the current trilogy to actually branch.\
Just "going to mandalore"with no connection doesn't make sense.
 
trainplane3

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FrankLapidus said:
The biggest problem with The Last Jedi, for me, is the man who wrote an awful script and then directed a film that was all over the place.

And it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence for the future of Star Wars that they've already hired Rian Johnson to write and direct a new trilogy.

Given that Lucasfilm has fired now Josh Trank, Lord & Miller and Colin Trevorrow (although I am supremely grateful for that last one given I thought Jurassic World was terrible), I'm not sure that Kathy Kennedy and the higher ups at LF have a firm enough grasp on what they're doing.
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I kinda agree with this. At the end of the movie I thought to myself "I hope 9 gives some reasons for why XYZ happened in 8". But then after thinking on it, I almost feel like I don't care. I was on my way up to the California Grill and a was asked by the guy running the elevator what I thought of 8, I responded with only "7 out of 10". I was never a big theater person but Star Wars was always one I would make it a night out with a friend or 2. I'm just not looking forward to 9 like I did with 7 and 8. And Solo?:hungover: However, I did see The Greatest Showman and ended up enjoying that more since there was a pay off at the end. Besides, Wolverine makes a good singer.

I absolutely love Star Wars. Look at my Lego collection. That reaches back to the original 1999 sets, owning most of 1999-2002 run. But I'm actually worried that Disney is going to run Star Wars into the ground to the point where I'll just ignore it. Yes there are many different characters you can branch into, but how many stories can you make out of "bad guy is bad because big gun/take over galaxy, main good guy conflicted, good guy wins"? I'll still buy a UCS Lego set here and there, but I won't be making an effort of seeing the movies after a while.
 
bclane

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Cesar R M said:
Thats not a character.

They really need to introduce more heroes than what we've seen in the current trilogy to actually branch.\
Just "going to mandalore"with no connection doesn't make sense.
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I didn’t say it was a character. It’s simply an example of a setting that is rich with culture and technology that could be explored as the base for a cool Star Wars story...and introduce us to more heroes and bad guys. Mandalore does have connections to the over reaching Star Wars story we’ve seen so far. And they could, you know, use the running length of the movie to show us how whatever story they are telling in that or any other setting they choose fits in with the bigger picture. Anyway, I get that you don’t like my idea. That’s cool. It was just an idea.
 
FrankLapidus

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trainplane3 said:
I kinda agree with this. At the end of the movie I thought to myself "I hope 9 gives some reasons for why XYZ happened in 8". But then after thinking on it, I almost feel like I don't care. I was on my way up to the California Grill and a was asked by the guy running the elevator what I thought of 8, I responded with only "7 out of 10". I was never a big theater person but Star Wars was always one I would make it a night out with a friend or 2. I'm just not looking forward to 9 like I did with 7 and 8. And Solo?:hungover: However, I did see The Greatest Showman and ended up enjoying that more since there was a pay off at the end. Besides, Wolverine makes a good singer.

I absolutely love Star Wars. Look at my Lego collection. That reaches back to the original 1999 sets, owning most of 1999-2002 run. But I'm actually worried that Disney is going to run Star Wars into the ground to the point where I'll just ignore it. Yes there are many different characters you can branch into, but how many stories can you make out of "bad guy is bad because big gun/take over galaxy, main good guy conflicted, good guy wins"? I'll still buy a UCS Lego set here and there, but I won't be making an effort of seeing the movies after a while.
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7/10 is generous IMO; I would contend that if George Lucas had written the script that Rian Johnson turned out, The Last Jedi would have gotten a critical hammering.

I'm intrigued by Solo rather than excited for it. The problems it's had during production aren't encouraging but the character has been my favourite since the very first time I saw Star Wars; whether anyone can come anywhere close to Harrison Ford as Han Solo remains to be seen but I am a big fan of Donald Glover and think he'll make a great Lando Calrissian. I'll give it a chance and keep an open mind but after TLJ, I'm not quite as enthusiastic about the future of Star Wars as I was a few months ago.
 
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trainplane3

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FrankLapidus said:
7/10 is generous IMO; I would contend that if George Lucas had written the script that Rian Johnson turned out, The Last Jedi would have gotten a critical hammering.

I'm intrigued by Solo rather than excited for it. The problems it's had during production aren't encouraging but the character has been my favourite since the very first time I saw Star Wars; whether anyone can come anywhere close to Harrison Ford as Han Solo remains to be seen but I am a big fan of Donald Glover and think he'll make a great Lando Calrissian. I'll give it a chance and keep an open mind but after TLJ, I'm not quite as enthusiastic about the future of Star Wars as I was a few months ago.
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I'll look at Solo mainly due to Fett rumored (new, original Lego minifig and on screen silhouette) to be in it. I can't say it's bad or I hate it without seeing it. Like usual, I will withhold my opinion until I see it at some point. I agree with Glover as Lando, that seems like a perfect match and could be the best part of the movie.
 
AEfx

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FrankLapidus said:
7/10 is generous IMO; I would contend that if George Lucas had written the script that Rian Johnson turned out, The Last Jedi would have gotten a critical hammering.

I'm intrigued by Solo rather than excited for it. The problems it's had during production aren't encouraging but the character has been my favourite since the very first time I saw Star Wars; whether anyone can come anywhere close to Harrison Ford as Han Solo remains to be seen but I am a big fan of Donald Glover and think he'll make a great Lando Calrissian. I'll give it a chance and keep an open mind but after TLJ, I'm not quite as enthusiastic about the future of Star Wars as I was a few months ago.
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It's a good thing you aren't too excited - because rumor on the street today that it indeed is going to be delayed until December and they are going in for another month of reshoots.

Although just about anyone can see that it should have been delayed until December to begin with (too close to TLJ, and the extremely troubled production that it has already had), it is going to not look great for Disney and won't instill confidence if they delay it this late in the game. It just reeks of bad management behind the scenes.

Given how much of the movie was shot before Howard replaced the original directors, and the greatly extended re-shooting to begin with, now with another huge set of re-shoots - man, Solo very possibly could be the most expensive Star Wars film ever made. Disney has actually kept the production budgets of the Star Wars films in check (comparatively) - TFA cost just north of $250M, TLJ and Rogue One reportedly both were kept around $200M (of course, these numbers don't include promotion, which is often the same as the production budget if not more).
 
FrankLapidus

FrankLapidus

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AEfx said:
It's a good thing you aren't too excited - because rumor on the street today that it indeed is going to be delayed until December and they are going in for another month of reshoots.

Although just about anyone can see that it should have been delayed until December to begin with (too close to TLJ, and the extremely troubled production that it has already had), it is going to not look great for Disney and won't instill confidence if they delay it this late in the game. It just reeks of bad management behind the scenes.

Given how much of the movie was shot before Howard replaced the original directors, and the greatly extended re-shooting to begin with, now with another huge set of re-shoots - man, Solo very possibly could be the most expensive Star Wars film ever made. Disney has actually kept the production budgets of the Star Wars films in check (comparatively) - TFA cost just north of $250M, TLJ and Rogue One reportedly both were kept around $200M (of course, these numbers don't include promotion, which is often the same as the production budget if not more).
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Interesting. I saw something about there being more reshoots but not that it was being delayed. I know someone who has some ties with Lucasfilm and they told me before Christmas that Solo would be released in May as Disney were adamant that they would not delay the opening. Maybe that's changed now but there were rumours that the trailer would be released this week and the film's publicity campaign would begin; further reshoots don't inspire confidence given everything that's happened during production, but if there is going to be a delayed release you would imagine that we would get some confirmation of that soon as the film is only five months away from release as things stand. It wouldn't be a surprise if there is a delay given the mess that was reportedly left in the wake of Lord & Miller being fired.
 
FigmentJedi

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Cesar R M said:
Thats not a character.

They really need to introduce more heroes than what we've seen in the current trilogy to actually branch.\
Just "going to mandalore"with no connection doesn't make sense.
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Prominence in the animated stuff aside, you could easily sell a Mandalore movie based on the Boba Fett armor connection, even though the Fetts aren't actually Mandalorian anymore.

Shoot, with as much House/Clan intrigue going on within that corner of the galaxy in recent stuff, you could probably sell a Mandalore movie as being "Game of Thrones in Space"
 
bclane

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FigmentJedi said:
Prominence in the animated stuff aside, you could easily sell a Mandalore movie based on the Boba Fett armor connection, even though the Fetts aren't actually Mandalorian anymore.

Shoot, with as much House/Clan intrigue going on within that corner of the galaxy in recent stuff, you could probably sell a Mandalore movie as being "Game of Thrones in Space"
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Yup. While there will always be a place in my heart for the traditional Star Wars (Jedi using the Force, the Rebels vs. the Empire/First Order) type of movie, there are SO many stories that could be told in that universe that it boggles the mind. I'd love to see them do smaller stories, and explore multiple genres within the galaxy. Not every Star Wars movie needs to have the entire galaxy hanging in the balance...imo
 

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