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Princess Leia

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Also, Takei is such an LGBT icon. After the way Spacey came out, if the allegations against Takei are true, this might set the equality movement back. There has been so much progress over the last five years that I can’t fathom a regression.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Former Walt Disney Imagineer and themed entertainment designer (IoA’s Spider Man and the upcoming Cirque du Soleil theme park) Gary Goddard has been accused of sexual assault by actor Anthony Edwards. Gary also raped his friend. They were both teenagers at the time of these incidents.
http://deadline.com/2017/11/anthony-edwards-sexual-molestation-gary-goddard-1202205839/

https://medium.com/@anthonyedwards/yes-mom-there-is-something-wrong-f2bcf56434b9
Yes Mom, There is Something Wrong
From victim to survivor.
Anthony EdwardsNov 10
Official Anthony Edwards Twitter Page

When I was 14 years old, my mother opened the door for me to answer honestly about the rumors she had heard about Gary Goddard — who was my mentor, teacher and friend — being a pedophile. I denied it through tears of complete panic. To face that truth was not an option as my sense of self was completely enmeshed in my gang of five friends who were all led by this sick father figure. I met Goddard when I was 12, and he quickly became a dominant force in my life. He taught me about the value of acting, respect for friendship, and the importance of studying. Pedophiles prey on the weak. My father, who suffered from undiagnosed PTSD from WWII, was not emotionally available. Everyone has the need to bond, and I was no exception. My vulnerability was exploited. I was molested by Goddard, my best friend was raped by him — and this went on for years. The group of us, the gang, stayed quiet.

Why? One of the most tragic effects of sexual abuse in children is that the victims often feel deeply responsible — as if it is somehow their fault. With their sick form of control, abusers exploit a child’s natural desire to bond. The victims are required to play by the abuser’s rules, or else they are “out” — banished from the only world they know. Abusers are successful when they keep control of that little world — a world that is based on fear. The use of fear to control and manipulate can be both obvious and subtle. Abusers will often use the word “love” to define their horrific actions, which constitutes a total betrayal of trust. The resulting damage to the emotional development of a child is deep and unforgivable. Only after I was able to separate my experience, process it, and put it in its place could I accept this truth: My abuse may always be with me, but it does not own me. For far too many years, I held onto the idea that love was conditional — and so I would look for someone or something other than my higher self to define those conditions and requirements for me.

I have been so fortunate to have had access to therapy and fellow survivors. Shame can thrive easily when we are isolated, but it loses its power when people come together to share their common experiences. 22 years ago, I happened to run into Gary Goddard at an airport. I was able to express my outrage at what he had done. He swore to his remorse and said that he had gotten help. I felt a temporary sense of relief. I say temporary because when Goddard appeared in the press four years ago for alleged sexual abuse, my rage resurfaced. At 51 years old, I was directed by a group of loving friends to a therapist who specializes in this kind of abuse. By processing my anger in a safe place with a professional, I was finally able to have the conversation that I wish I could have had with my mom when I was 14.

I’ve learned a lot in these last four years. Most importantly, I’ve learned that I’m not alone. One in six men have an abusive sexual experience before they turn 18. Secrecy, shame and fear are the tools of abuse, and it is only by breaking the stigma of childhood sexual abuse that we can heal, change attitudes, and create safer environments for our children.

Right now, there are children and adults who want to talk. Right now, there are people who have witnessed this kind of abuse but don’t know how to help. Right now, there are millions of victims who believe that the abuse they experienced was somehow their fault.

There are millions of children in our country who are one conversation away from being heard. Just as there are millions of adult men who are one step away from healing.

I did not go from being a victim to a survivor alone. No one does. I had to ask for help, and I am so grateful that I did.

Bob Weis, as the head of WDI, what are you going to do about themed entertainment’s tolerance of rapists?

It's very simple Bob Iger will fire Bob Weis for 'not agressively acting against the perpetrators' and the problem will be 'solved' Bob will then install some corporate drone as head of WDI and a few interns and low level employees will get fired for asking a coworker for a date, Meantime things will continue as before for the real offenders.
 

the.dreamfinder

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It's very simple Bob Iger will fire Bob Weis for 'not agressively acting against the perpetrators' and the problem will be 'solved' Bob will then install some corporate drone as head of WDI and a few interns and low level employees will get fired for asking a coworker for a date, Meantime things will continue as before for the real offenders.
This problem is much bigger than Weis and predates his tenure as president. I doubt they would fire him unless he deliberately looked the other way.

Wonder what happens to all of the Goddard Group’s big projects? He has three parks in China and the Cirque Park/Resort in Mexico.
 

The Mom

Moderator
Premium Member
I will concede on this argument with that point though it leads down a slippery slope as what quantifies admiration but a very valid point that needs to be addressed. At level does admiration equal power. Does a girl who gives consent to a star football player due to her admiration for his skills as well as his position in the popularity hierarchy despite down not really wanting to but saying she will now constitute on the quarterback as abuse of power?

There are women (and men) who will allow others to take sexual liberties if they think it will "help" them in any way - be it career or appearing popular - celebrity by osmosis. Rock star groupies, professional athlete hanger-ons, playboy centerfolds, actors doing movies while waiting for a better role, etc. The POTUS may have been absolutely vulgar and inappropriate for saying it out loud, but there was a grain of truth in his "p" remark.

So the problem becomes one of separating those who are doing it through intimidation, abuse of power, etc and those who are doing it deliberately in order to achieve some goal. And who might start throwing around accusations after the fact - especially if things didn't work out as planned.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
This problem is much bigger than Weis and predates his tenure as president. I doubt they would fire him unless he deliberately looked the other way.

Wonder what happens to all of the Goddard Group’s big projects? He has three parks in China and the Cirque Park/Resort in Mexico.

It's not about Weis it's about the 'value signalling' that firing him will bring to Iger. Of course we should not feel to bad for Weis as he'll get more money than he can spend in a lifetime.

Its too bad that the US does not have uniform termination laws so a fired executive would also just get two weeks of pay and an admonition not to let the door hit where evolution split ya!
 

matt9112

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I wouldn’t have believed that existed without a pic. Smh

I love it nothing should be sacred cows.
Also, Takei is such an LGBT icon. After the way Spacey came out, if the allegations against Takei are true, this might set the equality movement back. There has been so much progress over the last five years that I can’t fathom a regression.

one person being an idiot won't set the movement back at all....
 

matt9112

Well-Known Member
There are women (and men) who will allow others to take sexual liberties if they think it will "help" them in any way - be it career or appearing popular - celebrity by osmosis. Rock star groupies, professional athlete hanger-ons, playboy centerfolds, actors doing **** movies while waiting for a better role, etc. The POTUS may have been absolutely vulgar and inappropriate for saying it out loud, but there was a grain of truth in his "p" remark.

So the problem becomes one of separating those who are doing it through intimidation, abuse of power, etc and those who are doing it deliberately in order to achieve some goal. And who might start throwing around accusations after the fact - especially if things didn't work out as planned.

best post ever.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
There are women (and men) who will allow others to take sexual liberties if they think it will "help" them in any way - be it career or appearing popular - celebrity by osmosis. Rock star groupies, professional athlete hanger-ons, playboy centerfolds, actors doing **** movies while waiting for a better role, etc. The POTUS may have been absolutely vulgar and inappropriate for saying it out loud, but there was a grain of truth in his "p" remark.

So the problem becomes one of separating those who are doing it through intimidation, abuse of power, etc and those who are doing it deliberately in order to achieve some goal. And who might start throwing around accusations after the fact - especially if things didn't work out as planned.

^^^ THIS ^^^ times 10,000,000

If you have been in the corporate/government world for any length of you know someone who has progressed rapidly through 'unconventional' means.
 

Pixieish

Well-Known Member
There are women (and men) who will allow others to take sexual liberties if they think it will "help" them in any way - be it career or appearing popular - celebrity by osmosis. Rock star groupies, professional athlete hanger-ons, playboy centerfolds, actors doing **** movies while waiting for a better role, etc. The POTUS may have been absolutely vulgar and inappropriate for saying it out loud, but there was a grain of truth in his "p" remark.

So the problem becomes one of separating those who are doing it through intimidation, abuse of power, etc and those who are doing it deliberately in order to achieve some goal. And who might start throwing around accusations after the fact - especially if things didn't work out as planned.
Agreed 100%. And that is going to be a huuuuuge problem - because you know there are people who lack scruples who will jump on the bandwagon just to make a buck.
 

The Mom

Moderator
Premium Member
Many of you are old enough to remember this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

Or this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

None of us were around for the Salem Witch Trials.

Many allegations are absolutely true. But some may be false - out of malice, or just as an attempt to be part of a "me too" group. Or people misremembering events that took place decades ago. For instance, if everyone who says that she/he was really at Woodstock really attended, there would have been triple the numbers. I was NOT there, as I had to go to work. ;)
 

Pixieish

Well-Known Member
Many of you are old enough to remember this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

Or this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

None of us were around for the Salem Witch Trials.

Many allegations are absolutely true. But some may be false - out of malice, or just as an attempt to be part of a "me too" group. Or people misremembering events that took place decades ago. For instance, if everyone who says that she/he was really at Woodstock really attended, there would have been triple the numbers. I was NOT there, as I had to go to work. ;)

I've read up on the witch trials in depth and have been in Salem on Halloween, visited all the museums and graveyards. It's really a very, very sad, horrific story.
 

Nemo14

Well-Known Member
I agree that there's always going to be those who for whatever reasons jump on the bandwagon and fabricate their own stories. But for those who have been through it, the trauma and memories never really leave, not matter how the victim tries to suppress them, and sometimes all it takes is hearing others' accounts to bring those memories back to the surface.
 

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