A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

truecoat

truecoat

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peter11435 said:
It was on his part if he didn't have proof at the time. And if he did have proof this wasn't the best course of action.

And now you're speculating that this is even the person he was referencing in the first place.
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I believe he inferred there were several if memory serves me correctly.
 
peter11435

peter11435

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Quinnmac000 said:
Isn't that why people got mad when about people who knew of Weinstein's activity secondhand? For not saying anything to anyone about alleged activity despite not having first hand proof but second hand stories.

Which one is it? do you say something or do you just sit silent?
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Spirit did neither.

What spirit did was the equivelent of someone saying "Someone in Hollywood is guilty of x."
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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MisterPenguin said:
Goddard left WDW before Bob was in charge, so, what are you talking about?
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WDI is the largest and oldest themed design firm. It practically founded the TEA ffs. This is a problem in themed entertainment and the person who could be considered one of its elder statesmen with power should do something about it.
peter11435 said:
And if spirit had actual knowledge of crimes being commited hinting about them on the internet is not the best course of action.
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Not sure if you’ve been reading the reports on Weinstein and the others, but there’s a system in place that descredits and stalks victims and those who know about these crimes. Acknowledging that this happens is as much as you can do.
 
Sir_Cliff

Sir_Cliff

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This seems very much like a "men with power" issue more than necessarily a WDI issue. One thing I have realised in recent months is how naive I was about the world. I honestly never realised there was so much of this kind of abuse going on. Saying that, though, even I had heard the stories about Louis C.K. and I kept watching his shows. Hopefully what these revelations will encourage is a zero-tolerance approach.
 
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Quinnmac000

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Sir_Cliff said:
This seems very much like a "men with power" issue more than necessarily a WDI issue. One thing I have realised in recent months is how naive I was about the world. I honestly never realised there was so much of this kind of abuse going on. Saying that, though, even I had heard the stories about Louis C.K. and I kept watching his shows. Hopefully what these revelations will encourage is a zero-tolerance approach.
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Wont ever happen. Power always trumps ethical behaviors. Right now sexual crimes is the new "haute" thing. Next year people will move on to the next latest thing.

Sexist men will use this as a way to say women shouldn't be getting involved in the work place and therefore we need to go back to how things were and hardcore feminists will use this as their justification that men shouldn't be in power as they always abuse it as no females have been serial sexual assaulters (despite all the cases of female teachers messing around with their students)
 
Nemo14

Nemo14

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Nemo14 said:
Didn't Spirit say something about CNN covering the predator stories a few years ago?
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Found it

WDW1974 said:
I worked my **** off to get the sexual abusers working in theme parks story somewhere and it wound up being less than I would liked on CNN. It was supposed to get followed up on, but then Russia invaded the Ukraine and it just faded away ... just as Disney would have scripted. Oh, and I was then accused of being an accessory to crimes by a few PML pals. But I'm sure you missed all that ...
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brb1006

brb1006

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the.dreamfinder said:
Former Walt Disney Imagineer and themed entertainment designer (IoA’s Spider Man and the upcoming Cirque du Soleil theme park) Gary Goddard has been accused of sexual assault by actor Anthony Edwards. Gary also raped his friend. They were both teenagers at the time of these incidents.
http://deadline.com/2017/11/anthony-edwards-sexual-molestation-gary-goddard-1202205839/

https://medium.com/@anthonyedwards/yes-mom-there-is-something-wrong-f2bcf56434b9
Yes Mom, There is Something Wrong
From victim to survivor.
Anthony EdwardsNov 10
Official Anthony Edwards Twitter Page

When I was 14 years old, my mother opened the door for me to answer honestly about the rumors she had heard about Gary Goddard — who was my mentor, teacher and friend — being a pedophile. I denied it through tears of complete panic. To face that truth was not an option as my sense of self was completely enmeshed in my gang of five friends who were all led by this sick father figure. I met Goddard when I was 12, and he quickly became a dominant force in my life. He taught me about the value of acting, respect for friendship, and the importance of studying. Pedophiles prey on the weak. My father, who suffered from undiagnosed PTSD from WWII, was not emotionally available. Everyone has the need to bond, and I was no exception. My vulnerability was exploited. I was molested by Goddard, my best friend was raped by him — and this went on for years. The group of us, the gang, stayed quiet.

Why? One of the most tragic effects of sexual abuse in children is that the victims often feel deeply responsible — as if it is somehow their fault. With their sick form of control, abusers exploit a child’s natural desire to bond. The victims are required to play by the abuser’s rules, or else they are “out” — banished from the only world they know. Abusers are successful when they keep control of that little world — a world that is based on fear. The use of fear to control and manipulate can be both obvious and subtle. Abusers will often use the word “love” to define their horrific actions, which constitutes a total betrayal of trust. The resulting damage to the emotional development of a child is deep and unforgivable. Only after I was able to separate my experience, process it, and put it in its place could I accept this truth: My abuse may always be with me, but it does not own me. For far too many years, I held onto the idea that love was conditional — and so I would look for someone or something other than my higher self to define those conditions and requirements for me.

I have been so fortunate to have had access to therapy and fellow survivors. Shame can thrive easily when we are isolated, but it loses its power when people come together to share their common experiences. 22 years ago, I happened to run into Gary Goddard at an airport. I was able to express my outrage at what he had done. He swore to his remorse and said that he had gotten help. I felt a temporary sense of relief. I say temporary because when Goddard appeared in the press four years ago for alleged sexual abuse, my rage resurfaced. At 51 years old, I was directed by a group of loving friends to a therapist who specializes in this kind of abuse. By processing my anger in a safe place with a professional, I was finally able to have the conversation that I wish I could have had with my mom when I was 14.

I’ve learned a lot in these last four years. Most importantly, I’ve learned that I’m not alone. One in six men have an abusive sexual experience before they turn 18. Secrecy, shame and fear are the tools of abuse, and it is only by breaking the stigma of childhood sexual abuse that we can heal, change attitudes, and create safer environments for our children.

Right now, there are children and adults who want to talk. Right now, there are people who have witnessed this kind of abuse but don’t know how to help. Right now, there are millions of victims who believe that the abuse they experienced was somehow their fault.

There are millions of children in our country who are one conversation away from being heard. Just as there are millions of adult men who are one step away from healing.

I did not go from being a victim to a survivor alone. No one does. I had to ask for help, and I am so grateful that I did.

Bob Weis, as the head of WDI, what are you going to do about themed entertainment’s tolerance of rapists?
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Not even the Imagineers are safe!:(
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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Nemo14 said:
Didn't Spirit say something about CNN covering the predator stories a few years ago?
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https://www.cjr.org/first_person/amazon-roy-price.php
Kim Masters has had trouble reporting on these abuses... and she’s Kim Masters! These are very difficult stories to report on and publish. Publications and broadcast outlets have purposefully high reporting standards, so many will not run stories without the victim going on the record, and predators can put pressure on them, not unlike what Disney did with the LA Times, to kill stories.

Now, the following comes with my highest recommendation, but I would urge folks to think carefully about watching it. Documentarian Amy Berg made “An Open Secret”, a film about sexual predation in the entertainment industry. This film too was under attack, many film festivals were pressured to pull it and distributors got cold feet. This is an excellent film, but again it will be a very intense experience and you may not be able to watch the whole thing. That’s ok.


But when the storm comes, and it’s coming, we need to stand together in the fan community. This behavior is despicable and will not be tolerated. It doesn’t matter if they are a Disney legend or a Gary Goddard or just a random themed entertainment professional. Support the victims, their pain is greater than any disappointment you may have with the predator. Don’t attack victims, listen.

This could get very ugly and contentious in the fan community. Please be kind.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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There is an additional series of accusations going around about Yee Haw Bob Jackson:
https://twitter.com/MikeScopa/status/929085807578832896
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