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Pixieish

Pixieish

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Princess Leia said:
Not Disney, but Louis CK has been fired from Secret Life of Pets 2. As it’s an animated film, it shouldn’t be too difficult to recast him.
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Pretty good response on his part though. Seems honest enough.

EDIT: I'm not excusing his behavior, but I think he hit the nail on the head when he said that because they admired him, it put them at a disadvantage.
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

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CherylM said:
Pretty good response on his part though. Seems honest enough.

EDIT: I'm not excusing his behavior, but I think he hit the nail on the head when he said that because they admired him, it put them at a disadvantage.
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He has spent years denying the actions and saying they are 'rumors' - now he's remorseful? I don't buy it.

He's only 'remorseful' because he got exposed and is losing his career. The reason why he is getting 'credit' for the response is because he's one of the few who actually admitted it's true. Many of the recently accused have hid from it and/or sent out horrible PR statements like Spacey.
 
Pixieish

Pixieish

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spacemt354 said:
He has spent years denying the actions and saying they are 'rumors' - now he's remorseful? I don't buy it.

He's only 'remorseful' because he got exposed and is losing his career. The reason why he is getting 'credit' for the response is because he's one of the few who actually admitted it's true. Many of the recently accused have hid from it and/or sent out horrible PR statements like Spacey.
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The admission in and of itself is far better than the PR crap from the others.
 
Pixieish

Pixieish

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Princess Leia said:
I don’t know that one, but it definitely makes American Beauty creepier:

I was never a major Louis fan, but Spacey was one of my favorite actors, so this all hurts. I believe the accusers though.
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Same here. I was a big fan. And I definitely believe the accusers. The same way I would believe accusers of politicians. You know what they say..."absolute power corrupts absolutely".
 
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Quinnmac000

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spacemt354 said:
He has spent years denying the actions and saying they are 'rumors' - now he's remorseful? I don't buy it.

He's only 'remorseful' because he got exposed and is losing his career. The reason why he is getting 'credit' for the response is because he's one of the few who actually admitted it's true. Many of the recently accused have hid from it and/or sent out horrible PR statements like Spacey.
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Because he has apologized to most of the victims before the story came out, asked for consent, was given consent or stopped when it wasn't given, and confessed when later asked which the NYT article even put his apology emails into the article. He is just a pervy guy with a distasteful fetish (like Quentin Tarantino and feet) and its been pretty known based off his jokes he can be a really gross guy.

We are already getting to the stage where people are drafting up consent contracts, getting witnesses, etc just to protect themselves from being accused of sexual depravity. Its getting quite ridiculous and out of control.

A good 90% of guys and girls on dating apps have done what Louie did and worse. Should they all lose their careers?
 
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spacemt354

spacemt354

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Quinnmac000 said:
Its getting quite ridiculous and out of control.
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No. What's ridiculous and out of control has been the Hollywood elites abusing their power and allowing this type of behavior to continue for decades, and the victims (men and women, even children) having to remain silent to maintain their livelihoods and not stir the pot.

This type of behavior is not normal, and the psychological impact of abuse does not just go away with a sorry. The progress being made will hopefully put an end to this type of repulsive power structure for good.
 
Pixieish

Pixieish

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spacemt354 said:
No. What's ridiculous and out of control has been the Hollywood elites abusing their power and allowing this type of behavior to continue for decades, and the victims (men and women, even children) having to remain silent to maintain their livelihoods and not stir the pot.

This type of behavior is not normal, and the psychological impact of abuse does not just go away with a sorry. The progress being made will hopefully put an end to this type of repulsive power structure for good.
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And let's hope it carries over to Washington.
 
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Quinnmac000

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spacemt354 said:
No. What's ridiculous and out of control has been the Hollywood elites abusing their power and allowing this type of behavior to continue for decades, and the victims (men and women, even children) having to remain silent to maintain their livelihoods and not stir the pot.

This type of behavior is not normal, and the psychological impact of abuse does not just go away with a sorry. The progress being made will hopefully put an end to this type of repulsive power structure for good.
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What power did Louie CK have in 2002 other than writing and directing Pootie Tang? He did not have control over who performed at the festival etc.

In all these instances, he had little to no power where he asked women to watch him, he wasn't their boss or in any way over them or could effect their careers and they all were of age. The first two affected their own careers by providing consent, not telling him to stop while just sitting their screaming and laughing and then telling guys how gross he was for that afterwards. It was also why no one went to the police after Louie did anything because none of what he does was illegal.

During Ms. Goodman and Ms. Wolov’s surreal visit to Louis C.K.’s Aspen hotel room, they said they were holding onto each other, screaming and laughing in shock, as Louis C.K. masturbated in a chair. “We were paralyzed,” Ms. Goodman said. After he on his stomach, they said, they fled. He called after them: “He was like, ‘Which one is Dana and which one is Julia?’” Ms. Goodman recalled.

Afterward, they ran into Charna Halpern, the owner of influential improv theaters in Los Angeles and Chicago, where Ms. Goodman and Ms. Wolov performed, and relayed what had happened. “I didn’t know what to do, I didn’t know what to tell them to do,” said Ms. Halpern. Ms. Goodman and Ms. Wolov decided against going to the police, unsure whether what happened was criminal, but felt they had to respond in some way “because something crazy happened to us,” Ms. Goodman said.

Hoping that outrage would build against Louis C.K., and also to shame him, they began telling others about the incident the next day. But many people seemed to recoil, they said. “Guys were backing away from us,” Ms. Wolov said. Barely 24 hours after they left Louis C.K.’s hotel, “we could already feel the backlash.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html?smid=tw-share
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Now President Clinton, Harvey Weinstein who literally used their positions of authority and truly constitute sexual harassment/assault. But this Louie CK stuff is truly examples of being a sexual deviant and not an actual predator.

Edit: I stand corrected I forgot Public Lewdness is still on the books in some areas which is the main illegal act he committed.
 
Pixieish

Pixieish

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Quinnmac000 said:
What power did Louie CK have in 2002 other than writing and directing Pootie Tang? He did not have control over who performed at the festival etc.

In all these instances, he had little to no power where he asked women to watch him, he wasn't their boss or in any way over them or could effect their careers and they all were of age. The first two affected their own careers by providing consent, not telling him to stop while just sitting their screaming and laughing and then telling guys how gross he was for that afterwards. It was also why no one went to the police after Louie did anything because none of what he does was illegal.



Now President Clinton, Harvey Weinstein who literally used their positions of authority and truly constitute sexual harassment/assault. But this Louie CK stuff is truly examples of being a sexual deviant and not an actual predator.

Edit: I stand corrected I forgot Public Lewdness is still on the books in some areas which is the main illegal act he committed.
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Louis CK may not have had any power over them in the traditional sense, but they admired him, which put him in a position of advantage...hence, use of the word "power".
 
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Quinnmac000

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CherylM said:
Louis CK may not have had any power over them in the traditional sense, but they admired him, which put him in a position of advantage...hence, use of the word "power".
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I will concede on this argument with that point though it leads down a slippery slope as what quantifies admiration but a very valid point that needs to be addressed. At level does admiration equal power. Does a girl who gives consent to a star football player due to her admiration for his skills as well as his position in the popularity hierarchy despite down not really wanting to but saying she will now constitute on the quarterback as abuse of power?
 
Pixieish

Pixieish

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Quinnmac000 said:
I will concede on this argument with that point though it leads down a slippery slope as what quantifies admiration but a very valid point that needs to be addressed. At level does admiration equal power. Does a girl who gives consent to a star football player due to her admiration for his skills as well as his position in the popularity hierarchy despite down not really wanting to but saying she will now constitute on the quarterback as abuse of power?
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What you're describing is the exact reason that they are now teaching teenagers that there has to be a definitive "yes" in order to ensure consent.
 

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