A Flap in the Right Direction

EPCOT Explorer

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The Conundrum said:
Maybe but I mean if he hasn't done anything in five years why would he get cracking now?
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Recouping?:lol:
jt04 said:
It's not an act, he is a good CEO. Lasseter represents Walt and quite well I think.

I love how you run in and kick people whenever the DAGS are piling on. Interesting strategy you guys have for making your numbers seem bigger than they actually are. Interesting but sad.
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No, jt...I just don't run in and kick people. I'm having a intelligent discussion.

I was a bit to busy yesterday in real life to sit on my laptop and wait for your next comment. Maybe you have time to, but I don't.

If you will notice, I quoted a few people...
 
markjohns1

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WDW1974 said:
Buying Pixar was a NO-BRAINER ... period. Anyone could have seen that Pixar was the new Disney. Even a crazy fanboi.
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Yes it was, but that's not the problem. Convincing Jobs, Lasseter, and Catmull of a buyout by Disney was, and that credit goes to Iger. Why is that so hard to understand? And you're right, Eisner was the problem, but there's no evidence to suggest that Random Joe off the street could've stepped in and convinced Pixar to come on board. In fact, there are statements to the contrary. But you know, I guess Jobs and Lasseter don't know what they're talking about.

Really, if it's so easy to buy these companies why don't they just buy Dreamworks too? There's another Eisner-is-the-problem situation for you too. They're really coming along in the quality department.
WDW1974 said:
Saving it? The Studios, beyond Pixar, are a disaster. Cook is likely to retire by fall or get canned. He's a nice guy, but in way over his head ... his desire to push Disney into not making more adult films under the Touchstone banner has been a disaster. The fact he has kept his job can be largely attributed to two things: Pixar and Captain Jack.
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They are a disaster, but do you actually look at what is on the horizon? Light years ahead of the Cinderella II's and Lion King II's that got them into the disastrous position they're in. The outlook on the live action side is shaky, but has potential. Animation was and should be the foundation of TWDC, but it is not anymore. I applaud Iger for making it a top priority again.
WDW1974 said:
You know why ultimately the Pixar deal went through? It's very simple and it's known by anyone with any ties to the Industry. John Lasseter and -- especially -- Steve Jobs grew to detest Michael Eisner (rightly or wrongly). The biggest thing Iger had going was he was no Eisner. That's why Pixar became part of TWDC.
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You don't have to have "ties to the Industry" to know that. When have I stated otherwise? Iger was no Eisner, but that alone is not enough. Iger gained their trust and sealed a deal that might have been lost otherwise. A deal which, in my opinion, benefitted Disney far more than Pixar.
WDW1974 said:
The company was a mess before and it's a mess now. Some things are better, some aren't. But the hyperbole about Iger saving the company is just that.
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You're right, it was a mess and to some extent it still is. Some are better (Media Networks, and from a business standpoint Consumer Products), some show incredible promise (TWDS), and some are status quo (P&R, quality of Consumer Products).
WDW1974 said:
You want to credit someone or someones with saving Disney, you credit Michael and Frank (with some strong shout outs to Roy and Jeffrey).

Iger has proven to be nothing more than a manager. A custodian if you will.

Eisner had a long legacy at Disney that will largely be viewed in glowing terms when the dust settled.

Iger's hasn't been written ... and right now it speaks of nothing beyond ordinary.
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You're right. Time will tell. And for the sake of us all, I hope I'm right. I'm seeing promise and positive change.
WDW1974 said:
As to the story you cited, you do know that people on Iger's level have teams of PR folks whose job it is would be to place stories like that ... especially when the economy is tanking ... as well as the company's bottom line.
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I guess there's really no source of information we can trust then. Really, I can do without the tin foil hats. :rolleyes:
WDW1974 said:
And you're free to see Iger as a savior, but some of us see him as a huge reason why the foundation continues to crumble while fanbois get lathered up because they're painting at the MK (message to them: Disney used to paint every day of the year!)
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Which is fine. That's the beauty of forums and discussion. I just think it's short-sighted to call for Iger's replacement when he is doing a good job for TWDC.

I would love to see changes in P&R, and WDW especially, because right now things are moving at a glacial pace. Now that I think about it, it kinda feels like P&R are in that "Direct-to-DVD" stage right now. Yes it is a problem, but I think the recovery of WDFA will lead the way to bigger and better things in all areas of the company. I think the jury is still out on whether the P&R issues are due to the economy, Iger, both, or something completely different (Rasulo). I'll continue being optimistic. It will take more than paint to lather me up, though.
 
markjohns1

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WDW1974 said:
A couple of other random John Lasseter/Pixar thoughts.

First, he doesn't run Imagineering. He is a largely a creative consultant. And he has had almost nil impact on the parks beyond Anaheim (his baby). While he absolutely cares and is the closest thing to Walt the company has had, he isn't all powerful. And all it will take is one flop (not likely, but possible ... especially from WDFA) for that power to shrink.

Second, Disney has mandated they want films that can be leveraged across many platforms and more importantly, sell merchandise.

Cars did that ... but Ratatouille and WALLE didn't. And UP? Doesn't look promising.

So Pixar, which never wanted to do sequels, has Toy Story 3 coming up (a no-brainer, really but) ... and Cars 2 and Monsters 2 ... and you better believe there will be a Nemo 2.

All the recent amazing original films from Emeryville may have been very original and unique, but they also came forth during a time when it seemed as if Pixar and Disney were going to split and go their separate ways. Now with Mousedates from Burbank about selling plush and toys and lunchboxes and costumes, one would wonder how many more films about a rat who wants to be a fine chef or a robot in post-apoclyptic earth (where people who now resemble WDW guests on ECVs live in space) or an old man who flies his house to South America to fill a promise made to his dead wife will get the green light.

It's much easier to top fish with more fish or monsters with more monsters ..
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What is so threatening about sequels? What is so threatening about leveraging a franchise in the different areas of your business? That's good business, unless you handle it like Eisner did in his later years. Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings seem to have done OK.

Pixar never said they didn't want to do sequels (their third feature was a sequel!). They didn't want to do sequels unless they had a story to tell. So far that's what they seem to be going with. I guess we'll know if we can expect to get Toy Story 2-caliber or Cinderella 2-caliber sequels over the next few years.
The Conundrum said:
He handed over the Walt Disney Company to them of course they are going to sing his praise. If someone handed you a million dollars would you start insulting him or thanking him? Its common sense.
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Wow... just... Something tells me Eisner couldn't have done that. It's not just about money either. And you keep stated he "handed over TWDC" like it's a bad thing. Like I said before, it seems that Disney has benefitted more than Pixar.
MousDad said:
Well, if anyone can pull off sequels and keep them fresh and artistically relevant, Pixar can (proven it once, anyway). But at least Pixar has the sense (and evidently the stones) to say "Sorry Burbank" and insist on staggering original material in with the sequels. (Newt, and Bear and Bow sandwiched between TS3 and C2.)

That being said, being forced to "sequelize" their product has to really gaul the folks at Pixar. The price of being a Disney company.

And it does concern me. I hope we won't be looking back at the period between the founding and Bear and Bow as the golden age of Pixar animation.
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I really question that they're being forced to make sequels. Considering most of the directors of the upcoming sequels had expressed desire to make another anyways, it hardly seems like pulling teeth.
 
jt04

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krankenstein said:
You should go back and read it. This thread has become quite amusing! :wave:
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Thank you. I do my best. And for the last time, Iger is not the sheriff.

MousDad said:
Well, if anyone can pull off sequels and keep them fresh and artistically relevant, Pixar can (proven it once, anyway). But at least Pixar has the sense (and evidently the stones) to say "Sorry Burbank" and insist on staggering original material in with the sequels. (Newt, and Bear and Bow sandwiched between TS3 and C2.)

That being said, being forced to "sequelize" their product has to really gaul the folks at Pixar. The price of being a Disney company.

And it does concern me. I hope we won't be looking back at the period between the founding and Bear and Bow as the golden age of Pixar animation.
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The "Disney is making Pixar do sequels" spin is absurd. Please get a new negative spin because this one is just pathetic. Not talking to you mousedad but you seem to have drunk that kool-aid.

EPCOT Explorer said:
No, jt...I just don't run in and kick people. I'm having a intelligent discussion.

I was a bit to busy yesterday in real life to sit on my laptop and wait for your next comment. Maybe you have time to, but I don't.

If you will notice, I quoted a few people...
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I think you know exactly what I mean but if not in the future I will just respond with the word "kicking" to such posts. And, by the way, you kick like a girl. :lol:


It's just a joke, please don't go crazy out there.:lookaroun
 
EPCOT Explorer

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jt04 said:
Thank you. I do my best. And for the last time, Iger is not the sheriff.



The "Disney is making Pixar do sequels" spin is absurd. Please get a new negative spin because this one is just pathetic. Not talking to you mousedad but you seem to have drunk that kool-aid.



I think you know exactly what I mean but if not in the future I will just respond with the word "kicking" to such posts. And, by the way, you kick like a girl. :lol:


It's just a joke, please don't go crazy out there.:lookaroun
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What a sexist thing to say! Joke or no joke.:shrug:
 
GothMickey

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SirGoofy said:
The sheriff exists, we just haven't bowed down to jt's way of thinking, so he won't tell us who it is!

And Walt will be thawed next week.

:rolleyes:
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Just his head.

As far as this sheriff goes, jt, PM me with who it is. I promise to keep quiet. And if you don't want t do that, then tell us all. Unless, of course, you are making it all up. Which, you probably are.
 

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