A Flap in the Right Direction

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Eddie Sotto says he is optimistic about TWDC's future just like me. He even names some people who might be brining it to reality. But I'm sure you know better than him. Riiiiiight.

Since Eddie posts here, why don't you let him speak for himself.

And with the utmost respect for the man, just because he has an opinion doesn't make it fact as he'd be the first to tell you.

He hasn't worked for the company in a decade. That's a very long time. Some of the folks here are more up to date with certain aspects of Disney than he is.

Again, this isn't to denigrate Eddie. He is a wonderful talent (and from what I can gather, a nice guy) as well as a treasure trove of info.

And as a creative type I understand the desire to be optimistic, but I'm not at all sure it is justified no matter where it comes from.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
A couple of other random John Lasseter/Pixar thoughts.

First, he doesn't run Imagineering. He is a largely a creative consultant. And he has had almost nil impact on the parks beyond Anaheim (his baby). While he absolutely cares and is the closest thing to Walt the company has had, he isn't all powerful. And all it will take is one flop (not likely, but possible ... especially from WDFA) for that power to shrink.

Second, Disney has mandated they want films that can be leveraged across many platforms and more importantly, sell merchandise.

Cars did that ... but Ratatouille and WALLE didn't. And UP? Doesn't look promising.

So Pixar, which never wanted to do sequels, has Toy Story 3 coming up (a no-brainer, really but) ... and Cars 2 and Monsters 2 ... and you better believe there will be a Nemo 2.

All the recent amazing original films from Emeryville may have been very original and unique, but they also came forth during a time when it seemed as if Pixar and Disney were going to split and go their separate ways. Now with Mousedates from Burbank about selling plush and toys and lunchboxes and costumes, one would wonder how many more films about a rat who wants to be a fine chef or a robot in post-apoclyptic earth (where people who now resemble WDW guests on ECVs live in space) or an old man who flies his house to South America to fill a promise made to his dead wife will get the green light.

It's much easier to top fish with more fish or monsters with more monsters ..
 

The Conundrum

New Member
So Jobs and Lasseter will give him credit, but you won't. I think I'll agree with those first two guys. :rolleyes:

He handed over the Walt Disney Company to them of course they are going to sing his praise. If someone handed you a million dollars would you start insulting him or thanking him? Its common sense.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
A couple of other random John Lasseter/Pixar thoughts.

First, he doesn't run Imagineering. He is a largely a creative consultant. And he has had almost nil impact on the parks beyond Anaheim (his baby). While he absolutely cares and is the closest thing to Walt the company has had, he isn't all powerful. And all it will take is one flop (not likely, but possible ... especially from WDFA) for that power to shrink.

Nobody claimed JL runs WDI.:shrug:

Second, Disney has mandated they want films that can be leveraged across many platforms and more importantly, sell merchandise.

Welcome to the 21st century. You just figured this out? Congradulations and next time tell us something not so...um.....common knowledge.:rolleyes:

Cars did that ... but Ratatouille and WALLE didn't. And UP? Doesn't look promising.

So Pixar, which never wanted to do sequels, has Toy Story 3 coming up (a no-brainer, really but) ... and Cars 2 and Monsters 2 ... and you better believe there will be a Nemo 2.

All the recent amazing original films from Emeryville may have been very original and unique, but they also came forth during a time when it seemed as if Pixar and Disney were going to split and go their separate ways. Now with Mousedates from Burbank about selling plush and toys and lunchboxes and costumes, one would wonder how many more films about a rat who wants to be a fine chef or a robot in post-apoclyptic earth (where people who now resemble WDW guests on ECVs live in space) or an old man who flies his house to South America to fill a promise made to his dead wife will get the green light.

Love the idea of using cynicism to make a point, to bad you failed to make a point. I guess your saying you are more creative than Pixar now.

It's much easier to top fish with more fish or monsters with more monsters ..

Pointless drivel.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Did you even bother to read the latest blueskydisney article about it? Im shocked since I know thats your favorite website

I included 20k on purpose to see how quick the DAGS would jump on it and how many. So far the count is two.

It amazes me how you guys can ignore a compelling list and obsess on the one potential negative. But that is what you do. I feel sorry for you.
 

SirGoofy

Member
I included 20k on purpose to see how quick the DAGS would jump on it and how many. So far the count is two.

It amazes me how you guys can ignore a compelling list and obsess on the one potential negative. But that is what you do. I feel sorry for you.

And I feel bad for Jules Verne, who is having his masterpiece tossed to a hack director that wouldn't know a plot if it punched him in the face.
 

SirGoofy

Member
I have a feeling he will be on a tight leash if not replaced altogether. This can't be a Terminator-esque type disaster.

I hope he's replaced. He isn't the man for a cerebral movie that 20K should, and deserves to be.

I would love for them to somehow get Peter Jackson, but I know that isn't ever going to happen.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
So...the entire late 80's and 90's in which most of us draw our best memories and experiences from, are nothing to you?

My best WDW memories are pre-Eisner. No doubt.

I seem to remember in the EPCOT All the Time thread you gushing and planning a WoM pavilion with me and how it reused TT, and WoM into something new. You obviously have fond memories of this time, too, no? How is that not a leagcy? Eisner WAY overstayed his welcome, but he did a ton of good for the company.

TT and M:S are winners. I give Eisner tremendous credit for those and Soarin'. As I have said, he did more good than bad.


Right. At least he ACTS like a good CEO and "father" to the company. Even watching him parade something I dislike- D23- he does FANTASTIC in showmanship in the Promos and looked great on The View. Very Walt Like in that aspect, I was pleasantly surprised. Now he just has to act more Walt Like in OTHER aspects...

It's not an act, he is a good CEO. Lasseter represents Walt and quite well I think.

I love how you run in and kick people whenever the DAGS are piling on. Interesting strategy you guys have for making your numbers seem bigger than they actually are. Interesting but sad.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I hope he's replaced. He isn't the man for a cerebral movie that 20K should, and deserves to be.

I would love for them to somehow get Peter Jackson, but I know that isn't ever going to happen.

Yep. I think it is just a matter of a good script. I really don't think Disney would go down this road if they did not have a good idea of what they want. This isn't going to be the cheap live action of the last few years. More like a JCoM type epic is what I think they are going for. This will be to Disney live action what TPatF will be to Disney animation. That is my expectation anyway.
 

MousDad

New Member
Second, Disney has mandated they want films that can be leveraged across many platforms and more importantly, sell merchandise.

Cars did that ... but Ratatouille and WALLE didn't. And UP? Doesn't look promising.

So Pixar, which never wanted to do sequels, has Toy Story 3 coming up (a no-brainer, really but) ... and Cars 2 and Monsters 2 ... and you better believe there will be a Nemo 2.

All the recent amazing original films from Emeryville may have been very original and unique, but they also came forth during a time when it seemed as if Pixar and Disney were going to split and go their separate ways. Now with Mousedates from Burbank about selling plush and toys and lunchboxes and costumes, one would wonder how many more films about a rat who wants to be a fine chef or a robot in post-apoclyptic earth (where people who now resemble WDW guests on ECVs live in space) or an old man who flies his house to South America to fill a promise made to his dead wife will get the green light.

It's much easier to top fish with more fish or monsters with more monsters ..

Well, if anyone can pull off sequels and keep them fresh and artistically relevant, Pixar can (proven it once, anyway). But at least Pixar has the sense (and evidently the stones) to say "Sorry Burbank" and insist on staggering original material in with the sequels. (Newt, and Bear and Bow sandwiched between TS3 and C2.)

That being said, being forced to "sequelize" their product has to really gaul the folks at Pixar. The price of being a Disney company.

And it does concern me. I hope we won't be looking back at the period between the founding and Bear and Bow as the golden age of Pixar animation.
 

WishIwasThere

Active Member
Boy talk about thread drift....page one talks about how the dive tube is back in use at the Seas and page 18 is about how Pixar is making sequals to their movies...glad I didn't read the other 17 pages...:dazzle:
 

krankenstein

Well-Known Member
Boy talk about thread drift....page one talks about how the dive tube is back in use at the Seas and page 18 is about how Pixar is making sequals to their movies...glad I didn't read the other 17 pages...:dazzle:
You should go back and read it. This thread has become quite amusing! :wave:
 

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