A Change In Strategy

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
I think we are making group progress.:lookaroun:lol:

I talk to too many people for that to be true.:lol:



After talking to some people, the MK thrill ride is definitely false. As for some of the other stuff...well it seems as if the RFID is being kept under a tight lid.

The Epcot E-ticket? Can't get any info.

See, now I heard rumblings about that months ago. Now this popped up again.:shrug::lol:

JII, on the other hand....
 

yankspy

Well-Known Member
$30m may seem like a low number compared to past attractions, but if it involves a retro-fit into WoL, that may bring the price down.

Additionally, $30m in this economy has greater purchasing power for projects such as these than it did for projects such as Everest.

I won't get into the veracity of the OP's statements, but just throwing those thoughts out there...
Not to mention that $30m seems to be a preliminary number as we know that many projects wind up going way over budget.

I have no idea as to the validity of the OP either way I am simply pointing out that preliminary budgets do not mean much.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
That Pavilion linking idea you told me about a few weeks ago popped back into my head today.

I wonder if this is it, even though that is/was/will be quite radical and Blue Sky.

I didn't even make that connection and it was my idea.:lol:

You know, they could probably do a fairly decent retrofit for 30 million and if successful they could add back some new simulators and make a permanent Mars section for the Space pavilion. Interesting.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
I've heard whispers about some of it. The rest? Eh.

I've also heard about things that weren't on the list.

The important thing is...I have heard of a bit of a shift in the way of thinking. From many people I trust. So personally, I've gotten a lot of my hope back.

You shouldn't ever lose hope, so long as you're breathing ...

And while I have heard some positive things, none are enough for me to change my fundamental beliefs about the direction of WDW ... yet.

And again, nothing changes the points I've made about the OP.

It seemed like an excuse to get the fanbois all hot and bothered and clearly it worked.

But there is NO substance to it beyond stuff that most anyone who reads here knew to begin with.

And, again, with Manta opening at SWO it seems the timing is odd to say the least.

But again ... when was the last time the ***cough ... cough*** No. 1 theme park in THE WORLD got a major addition?

If you said when the majority of the posters here were still either in diapers or sleeping with Disney plush ... uhm ... nevermind.
 

SirGoofy

Member
And while I have heard some positive things, none are enough for me to change my fundamental beliefs about the direction of WDW ... yet.

I'm not saying everything has been turned on it's head. But some things I'm hearing, I didn't think I would ever hear. It hasn't been completely fixed...but the tide may be turnin.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
I didn't even make that connection and it was my idea.:lol:

You know, they could probably do a fairly decent retrofit for 30 million and if successful they could add back some new simulators and make a permanent Mars pavilion. Interesting.
Oh.:dazzle: I thought you said that you read that, not made it up.:lol::lookaroun
I don't even ask about JII anymore. I always get the same answer.

"It's ready to go once it gets the green."
Exactly.

You shouldn't ever lose hope, so long as you're breathing ...

And while I have heard some positive things, none are enough for me to change my fundamental beliefs about the direction of WDW ... yet.

And again, nothing changes the points I've made about the OP.

It seemed like an excuse to get the fanbois all hot and bothered and clearly it worked.

But there is NO substance to it beyond stuff that most anyone who reads here knew to begin with.
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Sounds like the end to The Count of Monte Cristo.:lol:

Well...That backs up some big things, then, right? RFID seems huge to me.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Not to mention that $30m seems to be a preliminary number as we know that many projects wind up going way over budget.

I have no idea as to the validity of the OP either way I am simply pointing out that preliminary budgets do not mean much.

And I am going to tell you that $30 million to WDI is the equivalent to the loose change you have in the cushions of your sofa or in your car etc ...

I can't even recall the last major rehab Disney did that didn't cost that.

An E-Ticket? Never.
 

yankspy

Well-Known Member
And I am going to tell you that $30 million to WDI is the equivalent to the loose change you have in the cushions of your sofa or in your car etc ...

I can't even recall the last major rehab Disney did that didn't cost that.

An E-Ticket? Never.
Yes I know that, I was pointing out the notion that $30m could be way off since many of their projects go way over. $30m could wind up being $125m.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
I'm not saying everything has been turned on it's head. But some things I'm hearing, I didn't think I would ever hear. It hasn't been completely fixed...but the tide may be turnin.

It may, but let me give you some really good advice ... not just about WDW, but about life in general in 21st century USA: expect the worst, while hoping for better.

You'll never be disappointed and, often, be very pleasantly surprised.

Expecting things to be better or done the right way is a surefire way to wind up feeling bad far more than good.

As to WDW, perhaps waiting to see substantive improvements/announcements ... and major changes in the way business is done behind the scenes before getting excited would be the prudent course of action.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
And I am going to tell you that $30 million to WDI is the equivalent to the loose change you have in the cushions of your sofa or in your car etc ...

I can't even recall the last major rehab Disney did that didn't cost that.

An E-Ticket? Never.

How much was SSE?:lookaroun Just wondering.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
And I am going to tell you that $30 million to WDI is the equivalent to the loose change you have in the cushions of your sofa or in your car etc ...

I can't even recall the last major rehab Disney did that didn't cost that.

An E-Ticket? Never.

I still think he screwed up his "talking points". I think the $30 million is for a "cheap" attraction to be added to WoL building while a real E-Ticket (with a real budget) is refurbed. This seems to be the motivation for the Stitch show in TL. Same exact thing here. I can really see shades of the DCA makeover strategy in the rumors that are percolating. I think we are seeing the first reactions to Potterland/Manta/Uni coaster. And, by the way, I think the reorganization that is taking place is part of that strategy.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
How much was SSE?:lookaroun Just wondering.

With or without ugly appendage removal?

Seriously, I have asked around but don't feel real comfortable with the info ... that said, if $30 million buys you an E-Ticket (which it doesn't) than I feel relatively safe in saying that SSE is at least a D-Ticket!
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
With or without ugly appendage removal?

Seriously, I have asked around but don't feel real comfortable with the info ... that said, if $30 million buys you an E-Ticket (which it doesn't) than I feel relatively safe in saying that SSE is at least a D-Ticket!

Was it that much of a difference? Without, I guess. I want to know how much they put into the ride itself.

And D Tic? I wouldn't be surprised...just look at the Descent.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
I still think he screwed up his "talking points". I think the $30 million is for a "cheap" attraction to be added to WoL building while a real E-Ticket (with a real budget) is refurbed. This seems to be the motivation for the Stitch show in TL. Same exact thing here. I can really see shades of the DCA makeover strategy in the rumors that are percolating. I think we are seeing the first reactions to Potterland/Manta/Uni coaster. And, by the way, I think the reorganization that is taking place is part of that strategy.

Disney won't spend $30 million on what amounts to a filler. It also won't put one new thing in the 1989-looking WoL while leaving the rest of the place as is.

The Stitch show is (you are right here, dare I say it?, in a roundabout way) part of the One Disney reorg. But not exactly how you see it. It's largely a clone of the LCI Stitch shows already showing in Hong Kong and Paris. It also plays into the whole Celebration marketing campaign. It's not there because Space Mountain is going down, but the timing is certainly
fortuitous for Phil Holmes and Co. And, frankly, it can only be better than SGE.

IF and that's still a BIG IF, Disney goes thru with Mermaid for MK as well as Star Tours 2.0 (which WILL happen) at TPFKaTD-MGMS, those are things you can connect with One Disney and as responses to what Busch and Uni are doing in O-Town.

But there is no huge capital influx headed for WDW on par with what DCA is getting. And again, that's all going into one park. One could, and I would, argue that Disney's two oldest parks in Orlando EACH need that much on their own with the third and fourth gates needing about a third of what DCA is getting.

That's leaving out things like transportation/monorail expansion ... and truly dealing with things like PI and RC. Still, the cost for just the parks would likely be about $5 billion over a decade. I don't see how Disney could possibly spend that today or would if they somehow could.
 

GenerationX

Well-Known Member
That's leaving out things like transportation/monorail expansion ...
You may want to edit that post. You brought up the sacred topic of monster threads - monorail expansion. Arghh! Here comes 55 posts speculating on whether or not monorail expansion is part of the OP's manifesto.

WDW1974 said:
It may, but let me give you some really good advice ... not just about WDW, but about life in general in 21st century USA: expect the worst, while hoping for better.
Precisely.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Oh.:dazzle: I thought you said that you read that, not made it up.:lol::lookaroun

I added my own take to a blurb I read once about the Space pavilion. I'm not even sure where I read it, could have been right here on WDWmagic. Anyway if they do build a "Mars Base" addition to Space I am taking full credit.:lol:

I love the idea of after arriving on your Mars excursion you have the option of being able to take a tour of the planet by some zany pilot who loves to scare his passengers with his flying antics, while still providing some Epcot Center-esque educational content. And my idea for a theater show in the old CC theater is definitely a winner if I do say so myself. I need to update my resume.



Kidding.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Interesting discussions. A few points from the mess that is inside my Cranium :D

As of the start of the year, both CC and BW were still intact, the former deactivated and the latter close to the point of no return. Although the simulators used to be cycled to keep fluids running, recently this has stopped.

Wonders of Life returning in its original but updated form was one option looked at - it was below a proposed reuse and retheme of the pavilion. This option I believe was favourite. It makes sense - the infrastructure and structure are already built. The Geo dome is a massive showspace. The secondary show spaces can be reused quite easily, or just as easily removed from the Geo.

Imagaintion - plans are drawn for several scenarios. Which one happens depends on budget and timing. The favourite was one that would please a lot of people and possibly give FW a new E Ticket in the traditional sense. The attractions would make use of all available space, and again this facility is already built and able to handle more people than it does at the moment should the interior items be built to do so.

Energy - still lumbering on. A massive people eater when run at full capacity. I`ve not heard any firm plans to do anything major to the attraction yet, but given this and Imag regularly run at way below capacity and the fact that the Wonders Pavilion is easily able to make onstage again this is one third of FW that can easily and relatively cheaply be reconfigured to greatly boost guest capacity with no major new builds.

The price though.... $30m? Not a chance. It cost the MK somewhere around $25m to convert AE into SGE. Aside from 2 new A-100s that work was mainly cosmetic and superficial. To reconfigure any of the above 3 pavilions into something less than embarrassing would cost at least double that. And believe me, Burbank, Glendale and even Orlando know they can`t repeat Imagination again, let alone Test Track.
 

Dayma

Well-Known Member
I like the ideas except another coaster. I understand people like coasters but there are so many other ways to be creative...
 

aladdin2007

Well-Known Member
Imagaintion - plans are drawn for several scenarios. Which one happens depends on budget and timing. The favourite was one that would please a lot of people and possibly give FW a new E Ticket in the traditional sense. The attractions would make use of all available space, and again this facility is already built and able to handle more people than it does at the moment should the interior items be built to do so.

Are they waiting on the funds and greenlight from Kodak? Or just in general is it Disney that has it waiting along with the other on hold concepts?
 

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