Security at Epcot

[MAGICFLOP]

Sorry I would rather have the extra security at the parks so I don't mind this. It's only an extra 30 minutes wait.

Agreed.....
Security today is absolutely paramount.

Security is an illusion... to make you feel better...

It would work better if Disney made a pact with terrorists -- not harm to anyone until they are 200 feet thru the gates...

You don't think that mass of people standing wait for the Tram while cars pull along side of them waiting to park, is not a security hazard?
Next time you go notice how the people dutifully stand behind the poles where they can get hit..

How about the mass of people that have not been checked waiting in the security lines?

Hate to scare everyone, but I am only speaking reality in an effort for WDW to correct it.. they have been lucky and biding their time.

Point two:
$20 plus for parking, they can hire more security and alleviate a mass of unchecked people waiting at the gate and fix one problem..

 

[drizgirl]

Security is an illusion... to make you feel better...

It would work better if Disney made a pact with terrorists -- not harm to anyone until they are 200 feet thru the gates...

You don't think that mass of people standing wait for the Tram while cars pull along side of them waiting to park, is not a security hazard?
Next time you go notice how the people dutifully stand behind the poles where they can get hit..

How about the mass of people that have not been checked waiting in the security lines?

Hate to scare everyone, but I am only speaking reality in an effort for WDW to correct it.. they have been lucky and biding their time.

Point two:
$20 plus for parking, they can hire more security and alleviate a mass of unchecked people waiting at the gate and fix one problem..

Well, in all fairness...... the people coming in off the monorail were already checked.

 

[UncleMike101]

Security is an illusion... to make you feel better...

It would work better if Disney made a pact with terrorists -- not harm to anyone until they are 200 feet thru the gates...

You don't think that mass of people standing wait for the Tram while cars pull along side of them waiting to park, is not a security hazard?
Next time you go notice how the people dutifully stand behind the poles where they can get hit..

How about the mass of people that have not been checked waiting in the security lines?

Hate to scare everyone, but I am only speaking reality in an effort for WDW to correct it.. they have been lucky and biding their time.

Point two:
$20 plus for parking, they can hire more security and alleviate a mass of unchecked people waiting at the gate and fix one problem..

Fortunately for WDW guests the show of Security at the park entrances isn't even the tip of the iceberg when it comes to making it a pretty safe place to visit.
I've had friends in Management at WDW and have been made aware of some of the internal Security workings and procedures.
Suffice to say that WDW, while not perfect, is one of the safer venues in the Country.

 

[matt9112]

Sorry I would rather have the extra security at the parks so I don't mind this. It's only an extra 30 minutes wait.

30 minutes in the summer heat is pretty long. the point is they could do it better but choose not too.

 

[_caleb]

Fortunately for WDW guests the show of Security at the park entrances isn't even the tip of the iceberg when it comes to making it a pretty safe place to visit.
I've had friends in Management at WDW and have been made aware of some of the internal Security workings and procedures.
Suffice to say that WDW, while not perfect, is one of the safer venues in the Country.

Is it something cool? Is there a private SWAT team? Armed former Special Ops guards in plain clothes? Surface-to-air missles hidden in the turrets I’d Cinderella Castle? Snipers on the roofs? Maybe Magic Bands can be remotely activated to incapacitate the wearer?

 

[matt9112]

Is it something cool? Is there a private SWAT team? Armed former Special Ops guards in plain clothes? Surface-to-air missles hidden in the turrets I’d Cinderella Castle? Snipers on the roofs? Maybe Magic Bands can be remotely activated to incapacitate the wearer?

in reality SAM batterys operated by the USAF would be a sweet level of tech at the world since there's so much land a few batterys could easily be built and maintained.

 

[larryz]

in reality SAM batterys operated by the USAF would be a sweet level of tech at the world since there's so much land a few batterys could easily be built and maintained.

Technically, air defense missiles would be run by the Army.

 

[celluloid]

The worst thing I have about Disney Security is the random factor. Either do it right and scan everybody, or don't do it at all. I don't even mean from just a safety issue, but as a Human decency issue. Nothing like walking in with your family and someone says "Gentlemen. GENTLEMEN" and puts their hand behind just you reaching behind a group of many more men who were closer to him. (only men were scanned) you need to be scanned in an additional screening. And as my wife was far ahead I bring my son with me and the guard rudely suggests that I do not need to have my child with me. "Well he is two, and is with me." After I go through and beep due to belt. I raise my arms out of conditioning I was asked to face my belongings at all times rather sternly. In my mind, "if can't trust you guys to not steal my things, you are the ones who need to be scanned." (yes, I get it in a legal fearing world why they had me do that)
But Disney's security process is just a mess and ugly.

 

[_caleb]

Yeah, I just don't get why they don't scan everybody like at Universal.

While there is some "randomization" in screening at Disney, selection for screening is likely not random. The best security uses a combination of profiling, randomization, and targeted investigation. Sometimes, it is strategic to check certain people–not because those people are particularly suspicious, but because it sends a signal to others in line, "Wow- if they're even checking grannies and strollers, there's no way I can sneak through."

 

[correcaminos]

While there is some "randomization" in screening at Disney, selection for screening is likely not random. The best security uses a combination of profiling, randomization, and targeted investigation. Sometimes, it is strategic to check certain people–not because those people are particularly suspicious, but because it sends a signal to others in line, "Wow- if they're even checking grannies and strollers, there's no way I can sneak through."

Ah my least favorite - profiling. It's great if you are not a minority or the like. It sucks when you constantly get pulled aside. Sadly unconscious bias makes that one not as great as it could be on paper.

Yeah, I just don't get why they don't scan everybody like at Universal. They have it really streamlined up there.

I prefer their method. Many other places I go are far more streamlined as well. Disney lacks in this area. The real security is great, this is not. I'm honestly surprised more people aren't against their methods.

 

[larryz]

Or better yet, can you explain how you would realistically fix it?

You could solve it like some school systems are solving the backpack problem. And the added benefit: sunscreen sales will soar.

 

[_caleb]

Ah my least favorite - profiling. It's great if you are not a minority or the like.

I agree. Implicit bias makes profiling have an unfair impact on minority groups.

 

[correcaminos]

I agree. Implicit bias makes profiling have an unfair impact on minority groups.

Trust me we know

 

[MAGICFLOP]

Well, in all fairness...... the people coming in off the monorail were already checked.

True, but they go a

Fortunately for WDW guests the show of Security at the park entrances isn't even the tip of the iceberg when it comes to making it a pretty safe place to visit.
I've had friends in Management at WDW and have been made aware of some of the internal Security workings and procedures.
Suffice to say that WDW, while not perfect, is one of the safer venues in the Country.

I did not mean to imply that the only security in Disney is the uniformed ones seen at the bag checks, nor that is the extent... I am sure they are not the muscle either, if a fight broke out, nondescript figures would appear seemingly out of nowhere to intervene.

My point is that the hundreds of times I have pulled into the lots, before making the turn into the aisle right in front of the car is dozens of people wait for the next tram just primed to get run over at the whim of a terrorist. I am sure once you enter the park it is quite secure.

If I were in charge of security, I would have a vehicle behind the people directing traffic between the people waiting for the tram and cars coming in so that their is no direct path to them.
Secondly I would disperse people waiting for bag checks, by making the bag checks further away from each other. Soft targets are a mass of people that have not been checked yet..

with all that said: I am no security expert, but these are the glaring holes that my simple mind sees.

 

[Astro_Digital]

Benjamin Franklin: “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

Security makes me sick, I do not want to live everyday the rest of my life looking over my shoulder in fear.
Look what we surrendered so far, all these security checks, cameras everywhere and yet we are not safer and some look for ways to surrender even more freedom.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Benjamin Franklin: “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

Security makes me sick, I do not want to live everyday the rest of my life looking over my shoulder in fear.
Look what we surrendered so far, all these security checks, cameras everywhere and yet we are not safer and some look for ways to surrender even more freedom.

lol, not laughing at your feelings but it does kind of amaze me because we are a litigious society. Let something happen at Disney and watch how quickly someone sues. Disney has zero choice in doing security checks.

You don't have to live that way at all.

I have a fake knee, I know from now on when I go through airport the buzzer is going to go off and I'll get wand. Does it bother me?? not really, never had a problem with TSA, takes me an extra 10 minutes

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Benjamin Franklin: “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

Security makes me sick, I do not want to live everyday the rest of my life looking over my shoulder in fear.
Look what we surrendered so far, all these security checks, cameras everywhere and yet we are not safer and some look for ways to surrender even more freedom.

It ain't just about you. I take it you don't have kids....... because that's a very irresponsible comment.

And now the actual quote is “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

It doesn't mean what you think it means. Unless you were part of the Pennsylvania Assembly during the French and Indian War. But if you were part of the Pennsylvania Assembly - you would have put the quote in context. So nevermind

 

[UncleMike101]

Benjamin Franklin: “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

Security makes me sick, I do not want to live everyday the rest of my life looking over my shoulder in fear.
Look what we surrendered so far, all these security checks, cameras everywhere and yet we are not safer and some look for ways to surrender even more freedom.

So what???
Humans have always been in fear.
Ever since the first one fell out of the trees in Africa we've been the target of predators, disease, climate, the planet, and each other.
No one has EVER lived without fear of something, or someone, taking their life.
Many of todays security measures are meant to eliminate a small fraction of that fear.
I'm all for them when I go to a place that I know to be a potential target of some nut case individual or group.
I can choose to not subject myself to those security measures by staying away from a target rich environment like WDW.
As long as we have a Constitution that limits the scope of such security measures I'm perfectly happy to submit to them when the occasion calls for enhanced vigilance against the nut cases of the World.

 

[marni1971]

Or better yet, can you explain how you would realistically fix it?

Increase staffing levels and available lanes. I don’t want to start a uni debate but we were pleasantly surprised with their speed and efficiency last September.

 

[Biggen]

The whole security thing is a dog and pony show anyway. A madman with a bomb or gun can easily go up to the security checkpoint where 100s/1000s of people are waiting to pass through security and commit their crime there. In fact, it makes the most sense to do it there as it’s a natural choke point.

Best to have good situational awareness and keep your nose out of your phones when around large crowds.