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And still it blethers on.
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MM+ Why we can't have nice things.
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Animaniac93-98
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The ignore feature is very useful.
WDWDad13
Well-Known Member
So you choose to ignore people that are pro-Disney or who don't agree with everything you say?
Is that what he said? Or was he simply recommending the feature? Try not to immediately play the victim....
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Self labeling oneself "pro-Disney" seems like the very same sort of predetermined position of which you accuse others.
ParentsOf4
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Nearly everyone on this site is "pro Disney".
It's just that some of us are not "pro corporate Disney".
Corporate leadership in Burbank have no passion for WDW and are hell-bent on squeezing every last cent out of their "guests".
Many WDW theme park tickets are up more than 25% over the last 3 years. DDP prices were raised 20% in less than 12 months.
Does anyone seriously think WDW is 25% better than it was 3 years ago?
Our frustrations are not with WDW or the front lines CMs who try their best under increasingly difficult circumstances. It's with a bunch of extremely well-compensated senior executives in California who think that it's OK to dupe consumers and cash in on a brand name that took decades to establish.
It's just that some of us are not "pro corporate Disney".
Corporate leadership in Burbank have no passion for WDW and are hell-bent on squeezing every last cent out of their "guests".
Many WDW theme park tickets are up more than 25% over the last 3 years. DDP prices were raised 20% in less than 12 months.
Does anyone seriously think WDW is 25% better than it was 3 years ago?
Our frustrations are not with WDW or the front lines CMs who try their best under increasingly difficult circumstances. It's with a bunch of extremely well-compensated senior executives in California who think that it's OK to dupe consumers and cash in on a brand name that took decades to establish.
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Soarin' Over Pgh
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Maybe one day, Po4, you'll stop making SO MUCH SENSE.
Or maybe people will actually realize you're right.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
But the discussion is about whether WDW is stagnant or not, and replacing does help relieve stagnation. People often complain about Epcot Future World, but if they were to update Energy and Imagination, bring a new film to Soarin' and re-open Wonders of Life with a new theme we would have a vastly better and less stagnant FW without having added anything new.
TubaGeek
God bless the "Ignore" button.
They're more "pro-Disney" than you are. That's why they're not willing to accept the way the company is run currently and want the best of their company.
WDWDad13
Well-Known Member
so I don't want the best for Disney?
I accept the way the company is run...it is a business and they are making money...lots of money.... that doesn't mean I think they should/could do a lot better in the Orlando parks
englanddg
One Little Spark...
Right. And they are doing those things now?
Oh...they are not. We get rubber bracelets...
You're either part of the problem or the solution. You are definitely not part of the solution. Some of us have stopped shopping at WalMart and vacation in CA, Tokyo, or the cruise
Animaniac93-98
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I would like to make one thing perfectly clear,
I fully support "Proposition Disney" (aka Prop-Disney) and encourage all Florida residents to vote for it.
Woodland creatures deserve equal access to singing lessons by fair maidens.
I fully support "Proposition Disney" (aka Prop-Disney) and encourage all Florida residents to vote for it.
Woodland creatures deserve equal access to singing lessons by fair maidens.
Could be worse, you could be pro-Disney and a new participant at this specific place, and then you're even less worthy than just pro-Disney...
The Visionary Soul
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Many of the problems WDW is facing are created by WDW itself. Everyone would love to blame corporate in California for every little detail, but the truth is, the concept of MyMagic+ is solid. It's the execution of the program that was badly done, mainly the fault of WDW's own incompetent management team. (And to an extent, WDI) I'm all for blaming, but let's blame the right group of people.
P&R development has been scaled back, and in most cases frozen, due to NextGen overruns. I'll let others reiterate what evidence is in the public domain since its Boxing Day and we have a house full.
The plenty of other things is the bare minimum or in some cases what was forced on TDO from Burbank. A few examples:
JC - six years late and needed before the canal leaked dry. No joke. The new deck a few years back was fast tracked when the neglected old deck actually rotted through.
PotC - mishmash of new effects that have major issues laid over 1973 infrastructure. Lighting that had to be shoehorned in. A damaged new boat fleet. And an audio system that's such a mix of 1973 and 2008 that numerous dead areas and mis matched speakers leave glaring audio holes and unbalanced BGM.
Splash - years of bare minimum neglect had made it a laughing stock. They had no choice to spend big or they could have potentially lost the building.
BTM - track worn and obsolete systems. The track will still need totally renewing along with most of the mountain since patching up will only do so much. See Anaheim in how to do it right. Show scenes and effects still not working.
CBR - technical success after years of neglect. Again close to loosing the attraction.
Diamond Horseshoe - the what? Oh. The seasonal QS building?
Liberty SQ Riverboat. The sole remaining moving attraction on ROI. Still a tug of power between keeping it open and saving money to moor it permenantly.
Haunted Mansion - excellent refurb, now with flawed Fastpass and queue layout and unnessecary, failing extra queue interactions.
Hall of Presidents - excellent refurb. Exterior was so neglected it partially collapsed during the refurb.
Small World - tangled toilets path routing now brings the traffic pinch point solely to the small world / pan corner. Worse traffic management area in the park.
Peter Pans Flight - still waiting for the 1992 DLP enhanced visuals let alone the newer - and newer still planned - Anaheim overhaul.
Snow Whites Scary Adventures - really.
FLE - not my call. Personally a fantastically themed area with two new good D tickets and a nice restraunt that the park dearly needed. Mermaid ride has multiple issues discussed elsewhere. I'll mention the cheaper electrical as opposed to mechanical ride system rotation device that malfunctions far too regularly.
Storybook Circus - not my call. Nor my thing so I'd be biased.
Space Mountain - discussed to death elsewhere. Budget slashed to bare minimum overhaul. Asbestos removal and skyway demolition also lumped into ride refurb budget to reduce available money even further. Track now in a real sorry state and asthetic overhaul - of what was possible with any remaining money - was a bandaid fix.
Tomorrowland stage - pushed through via entertainment not ops. Guest area lost to staff parking. New stage not WDI certified nor designed. Sound and light bleed into surrounding land theme.
Buzz Lightyear - where's the new guns? Still on hold?
Peoplemover - bare minimum. Damaged RVs. Failing drive system and PA. Theming actually less that before.
Carousel of Progress - bare minimum maintainence.
Tomorrowland Terrace - even when Cosmic Rays is a dozen or more people deep at each register - as you expect it to be at meal times during anything but the quietest times of year - remains closed. It used to be open year round when the park had less guests annually. For example.
Spectro - 'Nuff said.
MSEP - so worn and patched up there's a good chance it will not stand up to being shipped anywhere again.
Magic Memories and You / Celebrate the Magic - infrastructure installed to boost photopass sales. Failed so much that Disneyland photos were also used, taken that day and sent via the web. Budget to move Main Street projectors to inside buildings frozen so any moving around the roof or underneath the roof area during a show shakes the projection housings.
Wishes - reduced budget. The order from above was cut the number of shells used, or shorten the show.
This is purely off the top of my head in the park that's received the most love and charges the most (and constantly rising) admission price. We could talk about Epcot or DHS where the real problems are.
I'll mention Sorcerers as a diversionary C ticket equivalent. So I'm being fair. I won't mention A Pirates Adventure since those who work it have declared it rather less than successful.
So much for being brief. Oops..
orky8
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This whole "it is a business" is a such a cop-out. Disney has ALWAYS been a business. It didn't use to be run this way and if it continues to be run this way - with a myopic focus on spreadsheets instead of customer experience -- it won't be a business 20 years from now. Current executives are extracting hard-earned capital and goodwill at the expense of the business 10 years from now because Wall Street (and Washington) are all about the now regardless of the mess it leaves. Disney could make lots and lots of money by completely selling the parks, but how would they make money next year? That is essentially what they are doing.
Imagine if Steve Jobs hated computers and music -- would Apple be the company it is today? Because the executives at Burbank have expressed disdain for the parks -- they never visit them as guests and don't like them. All they see when they look at the parks is an ATM. And MM+ is focused on how to get the ATM to spit out money faster instead of filling the ATM with more money. Eventually the ATM is going to run out, but these executives will be long gone relaxing on beach somewhere by then.
It's not smart business. And it is not good management. The excuse of its just a business is exactly why businesses are being allowed to run this way. Stock prices are theoretically supposed to represent future value, not present profits. The board is too disengaged to understand that the current management is raiding the corporate capital. But no one in this country cares about the future anymore, just about getting theirs and getting it now.
orky8
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MM+ is not the issue. The issue is that MM+ represents a Disney that believe in blue ocean strategy instead of growth and improved experiences. If MM+ was coming alongside transportation infrastructure and new attractions most of us wouldn't have an issue with it.
FrankLapidus
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There's really no argument to be made against that list as far as I can see but no doubt he will try, in the process accusing you of being some sort of Universal fan-boy who is intoxicated by butterbeer and taking a pointless, irrelevant cheap shot against the competition whilst providing nothing of any substance to refute your points.