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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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Vegas Disney Fan said:
Odd that my editing and adding a paragraph changed the post order, my point still stands though, if we’re ever going to reach true equality we have to be held to the same standards, if it’s racist for one group it should be racist for all groups.

I also don’t discredit the massive historical disparity, I just think it’s odd that everyone wants equality, but only in certain situations.
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Again, this defintion of equality is one that would give us Straight Pride and White History Month. It's a definition that does discredit the massive historical disparities at play (which I know is not your intention).
 
Vegas Disney Fan

Vegas Disney Fan

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I’m going to gracefully bow out, save mom some anxiety, and hopefully not derail the thread anymore but I just want to add one last thing… if they ever do make a live action Soul I pray that John Legend can act and Disney has the common sense to cast him.

If that makes me racist because that’s the person I think of when I think of Joe Gardner I’ll own it.
 
Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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Vegas Disney Fan said:
I’m going to gracefully bow out, save mom some anxiety, and hopefully not derail the thread anymore but I just want to add one last thing… if they ever do make a live action Soul I pray that John Legend can act and Disney has the common sense to cast him.

If that makes me racist because that’s the person I think of when I think of Joe Gardner I’ll own it.
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I personally would be fine with Courtney B Vance, or even Jamie Foxx
 
Tha Realest

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LittleBuford said:
Zegler is the same complexion as Gadot, and no-one to my knowledge has said the latter is physically miscast as the Evil Queen. Zegler herself identifies as a white Latina.
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I don’t know that that’s true. The observable skin complexion comparisons between Gadot and Zegler may be very similar, but I’m not sure I’ve heard her describe herself as a “white Latina.” To the contrary, I think she often describes herself as brown.

As to the Nani issue someone brought up before, these issues permeate deeper than white / Hispanic / Asian etc. Within those issues is colorism, and that has been a bigger deal and focus in recent years. Our most recent AA winner Zoe Saldana caught a lot of flak for portraying Nina Simone by no less than the Nina Simone estate, as she is a lighter complexion Dominican and wore nose prosthetics and skin darkening to appear as Simone in the film. That was less than a decade ago. The colorism issue is in many ways more complex than simply the ethnicity/race vs ethnicity/race framing we often see, because while in some ways it does advance some form of representation, those within those groups may feel the represented choices merely affirm traditional European beauty standards.
 
LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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Vegas Disney Fan said:
Not directly but it’s often implied, which is why I replied to the post I did, the discussion doesn’t belong in a box office thread and is forbidden anyway so I’ll go back to my prediction that Stitch will be the first billion dollar movie of the year.
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I think we all stand to learn more on issues of representation and equality. All of us have our blind spots and biases, myself included.
 
LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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Tha Realest said:
I don’t know that that’s true. The observable skin complexion comparisons between Gadot and Zegler may be very similar, but I’m not sure I’ve heard her describe herself as a “white Latina.” To the contrary, I think she often describes herself as brown.
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“I would even say that I have the privilege in this industry being a white Latina.”

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West Side Story’s Rachel Zegler and Ariana DeBose on Latino Representation in Film

West Side Story's Rachel Zegler and Ariana DeBose on the power of Latino representation, interviewed by TIME100 Talks Host Lola Ogunnaike.
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“Because I'm a white Latina, I hold a lot of privilege, and if that's the conversation people want to have, about my privilege in this industry, then I am absolutely welcome to have that conversation.”

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Rachel Zegler on Responsibility and Privilege as a White Latina in Hollywood

In a recent interview on Variety’s Awards Circuit podcast, West Side Story actress Rachel Zegler opens up about her white Latina privilege.
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Willmark

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It kind of feels like streaming is in the early “Amazon” stage, Amazon lost unbelievable amounts of money, for nearly a decade, before it finally became profitable, I remember thinking Bezos was crazy because it made no sense to me at the time but in hindsight it sure does now.

It’ll be curious to see how streaming is doing a decade from now.
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1 billion a year is a rounding error to Apple when they have a market capitalization of 3.2 trillion. Tim Cook could probably suss that up from the couch cushions in Cupertino.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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LittleBuford said:
But plenty of live-action characters don’t look like their cartoon counterparts. Emma Stone is obviously very far from the animated Cruella, and Elle Fanning really doesn’t look much like Aurora. That no-one raised any objections (at least on the basis of appearance) to their casting shows that it’s really ethnicity rather than resemblance that is the key factor here.

Regarding your broader point, there’s a long history around issues of representation that I think explains all too well why people of colour are entitled to react differently to instances of “race swapping” than those who objected to the casting of Berry or Zegler. Your asking where that difference lies is analogous to someone asking why there’s no Straight Pride.
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Casper Gutman said:
Well put.

It’s also worth adding that Hollywood is entirely dependent on milking IPs from decades ago with remakes, sequels, etc. A great many of these IPs originated in a period when minorities were heavily marginalized in media. Given this, insisting that minorities cannot be cast in “white roles” is a way, intentionally or not, to continue the marginalization that defined the era in which the IP originated.
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What's even more interesting is that we're almost to the 30th anniversary of Disney doing Cinderella with Brandy and Whitney Houston, which was pretty popular at the time. And there really wasn't anywhere near the uproar back then as we'd hear today. So its only bubbled to the surface in the last 10-20 years.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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TalkingHead said:
Looks like Captain America 4 may not even reach $200M domestic or $400M worldwide, which was The Eternals total gross, unadjusted for inflation.
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Eternals (so far) did better internationally, but Cap4 already beat it domestically.

Its only $10M away from $400M WW and beating Eternals. It'll continue to be in theaters for a few more weeks, so it has a shot to make that up as its still pulling in multiple Millions on weekends. So with a combination of domestic and international I think it could be there by next weekend.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Disney Irish said:
Eternals (so far) did better internationally, but Cap4 already beat it domestically.

Its only $10M away from $400M WW and beating Eternals. It'll continue to be in theaters for a few more weeks, so it has a shot to make that up as its still pulling in multiple Millions on weekends. So with a combination of domestic and international I think it could be there by next weekend.
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Here's how that matchup from 2021 looks, adjusted for inflation. It helps that Captain America 4 had a "modest" budget of "only" $180 Million. But breakeven for it doesn't look possible at this point.

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Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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TP2000 said:
Here's how that matchup from 2021 looks, adjusted for inflation. It helps that Captain America 4 had a "modest" budget of "only" $180 Million. But breakeven for it doesn't look possible at this point.

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Nowhere did I even mention breakeven, I was just responding to the poster who said Cap4 doesn't look to reach $400M and beat Eternals unadjusted. And based on where things are right now, and what its still getting every weekend both domestic and international, its very possible it breaks $400M and Eternals unadjusted.

As for breakeven, I would agree its not likely to do that based on where things sit right now.
 

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