TheCoasterNerd
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Exactly, so it's an opinion. We TBA fans are entitled to our opinions too, right?
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MK Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress
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BrerFoxesBayouAdventure
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How can you be a fan of something if it's not even open yet? There really isn't all that much you can gleam from what concept art and ride details they HAVE released.
TheCoasterNerd
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The facade is quite pretty, the concept art is gorgeous, the mural is (hot take) pretty, the new queue (what's open of it) is pretty, the photos from inside are picturesque, and the lighting package is promised to look amazing. Also I was never the biggest fan of Splash, other than the facade, though I still prefer this to that.
yensidtlaw1969
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Those photos are not really comparable since one shows the whole attraction and the other only shows what's above the construction wall. Apples to apples would be more like this, which is a much less extreme difference:
Second, and I think more pointedly, Splash Mountain used Forced Perspective far less than people seem to recall. The real trick with Forced Perspective is to take things of objective, knowable size and shrink them relative to the percievable size of the objects in front of them. All the objects on the Splash facade - rocks, grass, trees - come in variable sizes in nature and don't really "force" the perspective by getting smaller. For all we knew the rocks at the top of the ride were just . . . meant to be that size. Not that the effort was even made; in the above photo you can see the rocks towards the top of Chickapin Hill are bigger than the rocks towards the bottom.
Meanwhile, the topography of the facade is actually the same as before, it's just that the clay is covered in moss and the rocks are covered in plants. All they did was chop off the stump, which does make the facade shorter, but wasn't part of some carefully calibrated Forced Perspective. The thing looked big because it is big. It just had a pointy thing on top and now it doesn't. Hardly a masterclass in Forced Perspective.
Same with the drop, whose channels are perfectly parallel and have never made any effort to force the perspective of the height. The drop looks big because it is - still is.
yensidtlaw1969
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Certainly doesn't seem to stop people from hating on it.
Viciously and repeatedly for hundreds of pages, in fact.
That’s the crazy part of all this to me.
This remake will be judged against the highest standards.
This would be like if the Bulls traded Jordan.
The player they traded him for would forever be judged in comparison to the goat.
Why put yourself in such an impossible situation?
This remake will be judged against the highest standards.
This would be like if the Bulls traded Jordan.
The player they traded him for would forever be judged in comparison to the goat.
Why put yourself in such an impossible situation?
MerlinTheGoat
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People can hate or like whatever is already there i'd say. I'm a bit more concerned with the interior than the outside, I especially hope that Archive's rumor of the finale being very sparse are incorrect.
Incomudro
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I agree.
The only effort if you will - to aid in the illusion of height on Splash was the stump, which much like an antenna on a skyscraper added both in actual height, while also drawing the eye upward.
Disgruntled Walt
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- In the Parks
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Didn't know there was a fan club already! What are your dues, vigorously defending the attraction against any criticisms?
ToTBellHop
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The part that always destroyed any forced perspective for Splash for me was the tree on top. No true mountain would have a tree trunk of that scale on top. It always looked like exactly what it was to me: an 87-foot high hill with a fake tree on top. It never looked like a 1000-foot tall mountain as some suggest.
SuddenStorm
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It's worth mentioning that the tree stump existed because of the film-
Of course it wasn't realistic- it was based off of a cartoon that was based on an African folktale.
Whether the structure worked with forced perspective is debatable, but the tree did define the facade and give it something uniquely Disney- whereas the TBA facade would be at home in any regional theme park.
SuddenStorm
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As Disney continues to finish the TBA facade, any comparison between it and Splash is inevitable.
Otherwise, this thread would just be people posting construction photos and us all saying 'Welp, looks like there's more moss!' with no actual discussion.
Otherwise, this thread would just be people posting construction photos and us all saying 'Welp, looks like there's more moss!' with no actual discussion.
When people say that Splash had "forced perspective," what do you mean by that? What part of the perspective was 'forced' (optical illusion) and how was that accomplished?
yensidtlaw1969
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Considering that's basically what the site owner requests in the Original Post, that might be an improvement:
SuddenStorm
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I interpret that post as saying that we shouldn't discuss why the retheme should/shouldn't happen.
I don't interpret it as saying that any comparison between TBA and Splash is off limits. Saying 'Hey, I think the Splash facade did this better and here's why' or "Hey, I think the TBA facade really knocks it out of the park' is very different than saying 'Retheming this ride is the dumbest thing this company has ever done and how dare they ruin the Magic Kingdom and I'm swearing off of Dizneee forever!'
yensidtlaw1969
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Considering that comparison between TBA and Splash basically devolves every time it occurs (see the last 5 pages of this thread) I'm not sure that's really the case in practice.
If only people were actually engaging with the level of decorum you suggest. But then moderators wouldn't constantly have to be deleting posts and reminding people of the rules, which happens much more frequently in the Tiana's Bayou Adventure threads than pretty much anywhere else on this site.
pigglewiggle
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Well, at least with all the background information, I will understand the story behind this new ride, even if it's a strange, not very fairytale-like story.
If pressed to say, all the years riding Splash, I really didn't have a clue what the story was about. We just enjoyed the long ride, the music and the animatronics. Obviously I have the gist of it, but if asked, I would just say a rabbit was chased down a mountain.
If pressed to say, all the years riding Splash, I really didn't have a clue what the story was about. We just enjoyed the long ride, the music and the animatronics. Obviously I have the gist of it, but if asked, I would just say a rabbit was chased down a mountain.
A crocodilian and swamp critters playing music isn't fairy-tale like?
pigglewiggle
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I don't know much about the new ride besides the story I've read from Disney about Tiana's business. That's what I mean about the back story. I would imagine the ride itself will be more fun than the story - just like Splash was fun without actually knowing the story.
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Imagineering was able to do a very good job to make the scale of objects on Splash (Specifically towards the top of CPH) give the structure a sense of height (Even though it wasn't tall). This was accomplished by using carefully considered decorative elements and the crafting of the faux rock face which made the eye focus on the stump creating a sense of height.
With Tianna's Rainforest Cafe, the use of large amounts of non-scaled vegetation, specifically the flowers which now hide the rock face, along with assorted decorative elements such as the lanterns don't lead the eye anywhere and give no illusion of distance. The focal point now appears to be either the water tower or the tree in front which appear to be too tall and located too close in comparison the drop hill. The drop hill now appears to be just an afterthought, buried in the back and hidden under faux plants.