EPCOT Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

[SilentWindODoom]

Then there is no reason or argument this fits in Epcot. I'm happy to view it that way (i.e. as a Moana attraction). But, people are claiming it fits because it focuses on the water cycle. If that's not true, then it truly has no reason to be in the park - in its historic or current form.

You said people are viewing it as Moana instead of water cycle. I suggested thinking of it as water cycle instead.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Then again, there were people who thought responding to "there are no jungles in EPCOT" with pictures of jungles of EPCOT was a stupid retort. I'm starting to think logic has taken a holiday.

 

[Phicinfan]

I think it's tough to argue it's not well landscaped and isn't, at a minimum, a pleasant distraction. It is very misplaced, really damages the symmetry and is over hyped based on the "level" of attraction. But it's not a bad thing. It's just very poorly designed/placed at the macro level.

Okay I am THAT guy. How is an edjutainment item about the cycle of life of Water in an area dedicated to Nature(world of Nature) misplaced?

The fact some can't embrace Epcot is changing isn't the fact this belongs somewhere else.

I agree, this COULD have been really great in Adventure land - not sure where the space could have been. But I would bet every dollar I have in the bank that those who say this would have been ranting that they put THIS in instead of fire mountain or some other ride.

Perhaps before folks over judge they should wait and see what it actually is?

 

[Phicinfan]

stylistically it looks wrong...Moana or not... there is nothing about EPCOT that has a tropical Jungle /island feel... It is not the style of the park.... Animal Kingdom or Adventureland in the Magic Kingdom would have been a seamless fit.

have you ridden living with the land, and the early portion of that boat ride?

 

[Phicinfan]

Theme parks are a spatial experience. They’re storytelling with built space. Just drawing lines on a map isn’t enough to create a connected experience and Journey of Water is spatially disconnected in multiple ways from the rest of World Nature.

it is next to Seas, and within vision of The Land, it doesn't HAVE to be between the two to be part of Nature. Perhaps one's view of what decides borders is the issue?

 

[Bocabear]

so because one pavilion has a boat ride that has a section with multiple world biomes, that justifies EPCOT having a tropical island setting in another area of the park?

 

[Bocabear]

perhaps it if had been between the two pavilions on the same side of the walkway spanning the two, it would have made more sense spatially... but in it's current placement, even though the entrance is turned to the side, it is still abutting the central hub for the park... disconnected from The Living Seas and The Land pavilions...

 

[Phicinfan]

so because one pavilion has a boat ride that has a section with multiple world biomes, that justifies EPCOT having a tropical island setting in another area of the park?

In an area designated as World of Nature - Yes. Cause last I checked, and I may not be right...no wait yeah I am, Jungle tropical areas are part of nature.

 

[mysto]

perhaps it if had been between the two pavilions on the same side of the walkway spanning the two, it would have made more sense spatially... but in it's current placement, even though the entrance is turned to the side, it is still abutting the central hub for the park... disconnected from The Living Seas and The Land pavilions...

I agree it breaks up the old school circular courtyard and its symmetry. But I kind of like that. What used to be a large area you had to cross to get to something else, now has something in it. Plus that something is pretty and has shade. Having the entrance outside the ring will direct a little rope drop traffic to Moana and away from TT / frozen. Plus it adds a little maze-like navigation interest.

I would have preferred they use the old buildings for something, but for years they showed they really weren't going to, and the building probably had to come up anyway to fix the sewer.

 

[Phicinfan]

perhaps it if had been between the two pavilions on the same side of the walkway spanning the two, it would have made more sense spatially... but in it's current placement, even though the entrance is turned to the side, it is still abutting the central hub for the park... disconnected from The Living Seas and The Land pavilions...

it is within sight lines of both, if that rates as disconnected then I don't know what to tell you. For an area to exist, it does not mean every single part must be connected in a straight line.

 

[dreday3]

I'm waiting to see the finished product of ALL of it and what they do in the actual new communicore building/hall.
Will it just be meet/greets?
Festival food booths?
or will they have interactive displays/edutainment type installations that change periodically. That could be great. And I'm curious to see what those lights they installed do, why they are there - potentially could have a great look.

 

[Fear]

it is within sight lines of both, if that rates as disconnected then I don't know what to tell you. For an area to exist, it does not mean every single part must be connected in a straight line.

I think the current Park Exit Bypass is also causing headaches. Once the spine is open, the bypass will close and the access to World Nature will be only from the central World Celebration area (and Imagination! if coming from the south). Closing that path off should help with making that corner of the park a proper corner.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

My thoughts about this have remained unchanged when it first began. It's a pretty area, that will be a nice distraction for a few moments when its new, but it will quickly be bypassed by anyone who has seen it before, and eventually effects will start to fail. There are better areas that are similar already at WDW - thinking of Pandora.

The center of the park could/should have been something truly impressive, and I don't think this is it. A missed opportunity.

I’m not fully up on the details, so am I incorrect in assuming this will feature some kind of mist/little splash and therefore slight cooling aspect? If so, I’d guess there would be no shortage of folks walking through it in the heat on the way from one place to another for years to come - kind of like Club Cool.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

There is nothing about Future World...that particularly is set in the jungle...nothing about the common areas outside of the pavilions that feel like a tropical island jungle setting fits. ...you know what I meant...lol

There is no future world at Epcot

 

[Kev1982]

268 pages later…it is build, it is there, it is staying. Anything actually interesting?

 

[Disstevefan1]

There is no future world at Epcot

The future has died in EPCOT

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I’m not fully up on the details, so am I incorrect in assuming this will feature some kind of mist/little splash and therefore slight cooling aspect? If so, I’d guess there would be no shortage of folks walking through it in the heat on the way from one place to another for years to come - kind of like Club Cool.

There will be two paths you can take, one that stays dry and one that you may get wet. There are interactive elements to it where hand motions make the water go, etc. Supposed to be integration with MB+

 

[Incomudro]

There will be two paths you can take, one that stays dry and one that you may get wet. There are interactive elements to it where hand motions make the water go, etc. Supposed to be integration with MB+

Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run...
Your stairway lies on the whispering winds.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

I think the current Park Exit Bypass is also causing headaches. Once the spine is open, the bypass will close and the access to World Nature will be only from the central World Celebration area (and Imagination! if coming from the south). Closing that path off should help with making that corner of the park a proper corner.

There will be a permanent pathway where the current one is, as far as I've known during the project. I've been looking forward to this opening up the dead end that is The Seas and adding more through traffic.

Actually, on thinking of what's stuck back there in the dead end... is it possible the weird concrete thing they're building is larger and more prominent signage for Coral Reef? I don't know how much traffic it gets now, but it looks almost backstage and it would be nice to plus the area.

 

[mightynine]

In an area designated as World of Nature - Yes. Cause last I checked, and I may not be right...no wait yeah I am, Jungle tropical areas are part of nature.

"Designated" and "Designed" are two different things.

 

[lazyboy97o]

it is next to Seas, and within vision of The Land, it doesn't HAVE to be between the two to be part of Nature. Perhaps one's view of what decides borders is the issue?

Where did I say anything about not being between the pavilions? It could be between them and still be spatially disconnected. If you were to look at an unlabeled plan of the park you wouldn’t group those three things as being together as a distinct thing.