News Zootopia and Moana Blue Sky concepts for Disney's Animal Kingdom

[MagicHappens1971]

And, for the peanut gallery, a page or so ago I mentioned that Lee wanted the exhibit to have Bunnyburrow,

Chris Beaty highlights the train ride and how that could be in the theme parks, Lee highlights the Bunny Burrow in the same context, where they discuss exploring the different biomes.

The most information they give is a "train station", they never explicitly say anything regarding what the attraction would be.

Beaty also says that "he wouldn't even call this a concept".

Link here:

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

I don't know how true this is, but from my understanding Dinoland is actually the closest they've come to a successful dinosaur franchise. People still spend their money on dinosaurs, apparently, cheesy environment or scary ride aside.

You'd think that capitalizing on something that's well established to be a consistent gold mine but that they haven't managed to create a well liked film for would be something good for the parks, but apparently not.

At the very least you'd think they'd look and say "Let's MAKE a good Dinosaur movie" (though, obviously, not the "Good Dinosaur" movie).

Like . . . choosing to get rid of what is basically your only decent Dinosaur representation anywhere instead of just doubling down and investing in it properly borders on cosmically silly.

 

[Bocabear]

If they repurposed the existing train and completely revamped Conservation Station area, they could create the setting for the attraction back there... have the train ride as the sort of prologue, create the different biomes along the way and end it in the city center. As long as they don't go too high with the ride building it could be completely hidden back there. And while I don't believe animals that wear clothes and have jobs and operate machinery should be part of DAK, I would think that would be the best way to do it...Keeping the city out of the visible parts of DAK...

 

[comics101]

BTW, the acquired Fox studios acquired accounted for 16 of the 22 Academy Award nominations this year. Disney now gets cachet for the adult and prestige content that it never had before.

Idk man, $71.3b seems like an awful lot of money for 16 Academy Award nominations, Avatar, and The Simpsons…

 

[FigmentFan82]

I don't think it'll be a copy & paste. I believe the one in Shanghai is trackless, and from what insiders have said it doesn't sound like they're going to gut the building and fully rebuild like they did for GMR to MMRR.

My best guess based off of nothing would be that that'll try to mimic the ride story as much as possible while fitting it into the existing Dino layout. So while not a 1 for 1 clone of the new attraction being built, perhaps something closer to a cousin of it. Just my guess based on nothing but my brains.

 

[FigmentFan82]

i dont think it will be a clone as they use 2 completely different ride systems. Maybe they gut the entire ride though??? But if they did that, hopefully they could save the dino/IJ ride system and move it to another location, idealy DHS.

a safe bet is that the ride system and track layout stays as is. this one is a retheme, so think Frozen and Splash. Things may change in there, but the bones of everything will mostly likely be what it always was. (So not a Engery/Guardians situation)

 

[FigmentFan82]

Marvel, Fox, and Lucasfilm were all unnecessary acquisitions that have diluted the Disney brand.

Marvel & Lucasfilm got Disney the boy market they desperately needed after being a predominantly Princess oriented company. Fox has always been the bigger question mark, yet it did allow them to not only regain some core Marvel IP but also full ownership of Avatar, and that IP speaks for itself.

 

[comics101]

Marvel & Lucasfilm got Disney the boy market they desperately needed after being a predominantly Princess oriented company. Fox has always been the bigger question mark, yet it did allow them to not only regain some core Marvel IP but also full ownership of Avatar, and that IP speaks for itself.

Im sure there are many high-dollar Disney execs who agree with your assessment, and that is precisely the problem that Disney faces long term.

But hey, what do I know? Maybe $71.3b for Avatar, the Fantastic Four & the X-Men was totally worth it! (Never mind the fact that by the time X-Men and FF are incorporated into the MCU, the Marvel/Superhero-trend will have run its course…)

 

[MisterPenguin]

Idk man, $71.3b seems like an awful lot of money for 16 Academy Award nominations, Avatar, and The Simpsons…

$40 Billion actually. And more than award winning content.

No wonder you look upon the Fox acquisition so negatively if you're so misinformed about it.

 

[comics101]

$40 Billion actually. And more than award winning content.

No wonder you look upon the Fox acquisition so negatively if you're so misinformed about it.

WSJ: Disney Closes $71.3 Billion Deal for 21st Century Fox Assets
Deal for $71.3 billion merges ‘Simpsons’ and ‘Star Wars,’ and it builds a bigger competitor to Netflix

Walt Disney Co. closed its $71.3 billion acquisition of the major entertainment assets of 21st Century Fox, the companies said, combining some of Hollywood’s best-known studios, characters and franchises as media companies look to get bigger to better compete in a world where shows and movies are increasingly streamed...

...Messrs. Iger and Murdoch began talking of a potential deal between their two companies in August 2017, according to regulatory filings. A $52.4 billion deal was announced that December.

The proposed tie-up was quickly complicated, though, when Comcast Corp. made a competing $65 billion offer for the Fox assets. The resulting bidding war culminated with Disney’s final $71.3 billion offer last June. Comcast ended up winning control of Fox’s stake in Sky PLC.

 

[comics101]

$40 Billion actually. And more than award winning content.

No wonder you look upon the Fox acquisition so negatively if you're so misinformed about it.

Oh, there's also Disney's press release announcing the acquisition...

Disney and 21st Century Fox Announce per Share Value in Connection with $71 Billion Acquisition
"Disney is also acquiring approximately $19.8 billion of cash and assuming approximately $19.2 billion of debt of 21st Century Fox in the acquisition. The acquisition price implies a total equity value of approximately $71 billion and a total transaction value of approximately $71 billion."

 

[J4546]

And there's also getting the whole hotstar streaming platform with 100s of millions of subscribers in Asia amd europe. Getting into that market is gonna pay off long term.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The proposed tie-up was quickly complicated, though, when Comcast Corp. made a competing $65 billion offer for the Fox assets. The resulting bidding war culminated with Disney’s final $71.3 billion offer last June. Comcast ended up winning control of Fox’s stake in Sky PLC.

Disney *bought* a 39% stake in Sky with that $70B since it was part of Fox.

So, how did Comcast get a hold of it?

Oh, yeah, Comcast bought it from 21st Century Fox for $15B which went into Disney's pocket.

You aren't considering in that $70B figure all the stuff Disney sold off to lower what it did finally pay in the end for Fox.

 

[J4546]

Disney *bought* a 39% stake in Sky with that $70B since it was part of Fox.

So, how did Comcast get a hold of it?

Oh, yeah, Comcast bought it from 21st Century Fox for $15B which went into Disney's pocket.

You aren't considering in that $70B figure all the stuff Disney sold off to lower what it did finally pay in the end for Fox.

thats also true, they sold sky and some foxsports stuff and more.

 

[comics101]

Disney *bought* a 39% stake in Sky with that $70B since it was part of Fox.

So, how did Comcast get a hold of it?

Oh, yeah, Comcast bought it from 21st Century Fox for $15B which went into Disney's pocket.

You aren't considering in that $70B figure all the stuff Disney sold off to lower what it did finally pay in the end for Fox.

Disney selling off portions of Fox is evidence that the Fox merger was, by and large, an unnecessary purchase. It is not evidence that Disney paid less for the company.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Disney selling off portions of Fox is evidence that the Fox merger was, by and large, an unnecessary purchase. It is not evidence that Disney paid less for the company.

That's the very definition of paying less when you don't cherry pick one slice of time to add up your ledger accounts in order to make things seem worse than they are.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Breaking: Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser to be rethemed to Moana!

just kidding

but am I?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Breaking: Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser to be rethemed to Moana!

just kidding

but am I?

 

[cjkeating]

Whenever I drop in this thread I love how it's shifted in a new back and forth. A few thoughts from me...

The concept art we received at D23 was very much "Here's what Moana could look like in Dinorama and erm.... how about some unused Shanghai concept art dropped in the back so we have something else to talk about and tease you with?" So it could look like Shanghai (which I think looks awfully plastic and fake) or fingers crossed it doesn't.

I'm quite sure it was originally thought the Shanghai ride was going to be the Dinosaur/Indy ride system but it was changed to trackless. So it is possible they have plans for how to overlay Dinosaur with Zootopia from way back when. Just look how Disney are cloning a ride that opened in 1988 that is opening in Hong Kong in 2023 and Paris 2025... they would totally use the same ride layout for any future EMV clone just because.

I'm surprised to hear Dinosaur is going to be Phase 1 or closed in tandem with with Dinorama. I was recently at DAK (during the post Spring Break lull) and the park was busy and Dinoland USA appeared to be operating at a good utilisation, Dinosaur held a 40 minute wait, Restaurantasarus was full, the bar had a wait list, carnival games were generating $$$... it's a HUGE capacity hit to close The Dino Institute side of Dinoland before replacing Dinorama. It's not like closing FOTLK for a while when Pandora was being built. Also the park is much busier than pre-Pandora.

 

[cjkeating]

My best guess based off of nothing would be that that'll try to mimic the ride story as much as possible while fitting it into the existing Dino layout. So while not a 1 for 1 clone of the new attraction being built, perhaps something closer to a cousin of it. Just my guess based on nothing but my brains.

I know it was mentioned by someone earlier in the thread but yes... Nemo at Epcot, Nemo at Disneyland and also Nemo at Walt Disney Studios Park (Paris) all basically pick and choose the media and scenes as they wish to fit their choice of ride system. Omnimover, submarine, coaster. I also wouldn't be surprised if some of Turtle Talk from the parks or cruise ship or Finding Nemo the musical used as well.

I expect this is what will happen here.