News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[LittleBuford]

I think what incomudro inclusivity can just be not something someone needs over good characters and writing.

I don't think anyone here is suggesting that inclusivity should take the place of good characters and writing. They are not mutually exclusive goals in any way.

 

[Dear Prudence]

They also changed the word "rum" to "gold" in Pirates when Redd is yelling "it's the *gold* they want!".

It's still in concept phase and I doubt they'd let a Minecraft team have first dibs on it.

But they left in grotesque Native caricatures. Because of course they did. Because of course those are appropriate. :/ sigh.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Anyway, Disneyland's Splash has Xmas decorations, did they bother with WDW? Anybody know?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Anyway, Disneyland's Splash has Xmas decorations, did they bother with WDW? Anybody know?

Did WDW's Splash ever have Xmas decorations?

 

[GoneForGood]

Did WDW's Splash ever have Xmas decorations?

It did not. But Brer Rabbit and Brer Bear appeared in the old WDW Christmas Party Parade with spoken lines (The Pre-2007) one.
Edit: Added video

 

[Dear Prudence]

Did WDW's Splash ever have Xmas decorations?

I know they did Halloween decorations, so I just assumed they'd do something for Xmas.

 

[celluloid]

I know they did Halloween decorations, so I just assumed they'd do something for Xmas.

Disneyland yes, even recently.

WDW, nope.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Wow. That's actually preferable to the current POTC ride dialog.They should change it to that. Have Redd hold a chest of gold.

My, my, my, Redd. What a nice chest you have thar.

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

My, my, my, Redd. What a nice chest you have thar.

Yep. So admittedly that very thought did cross my mind but I posted anyway to see if someone would respond with a similar line. Works for me. Sexist maybe but they be pirates. Any line is better than the insufferable and irresponsible advert for Rum, the way the scene currently plays. Gold is the ultimate pirate treasure. Can't have the redhead... I'll take the gold!

 

[Trauma]

I can offer a personal experience that directly contradicts your claim. When I was a child, long before I had any notion of what inclusivity was, I was beyond excited when Aladdin came out. The fact that the story and its characters represented the Middle East (however fantastically) meant a great deal to me as a kid of Middle Eastern heritage. And even now, despite all my awareness of the more problematic aspects of the film, I feel a special attachment to it.

If inclusivity doesn't matter to you, it may well be because the community to which you belong isn't lacking in representation.

I don’t understand this point.

Todays version of inclusivity would be akin to taking your middle eastern characters in Aladdin and making one of the lead roles white.

Don’t forget to also include background characters sexual proclivity for no apparent reason, but make sure it’s done in a way where it can be edited out for your Communist overlords in China.

 

[GladToBeHear]

Not at all...

Good. Nor should you. You ARE included. You're part of the human community -- with the rest of us.

You go right ahead and enjoy Aladdin all you want.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Good. Nor should you. You ARE included. You're part of the human community

I'm not.

 

[LittleBuford]

You ARE included. You're part of the human community -- with the rest of us.

Yes, I realise that. That doesn't stop me from deriving a special sort of enjoyment from stories, films, and characters that resonate with me on a more personal level. I doubt I'm alone or unusual in feeling this way.

 

[LittleBuford]

I don’t understand this point.

Todays version of inclusivity would be akin to taking your middle eastern characters in Aladdin and making one of the lead roles white.

Don’t forget to also include background characters sexual proclivity for no apparent reason, but make sure it’s done in a way where it can be edited out for your Communist overlords in China.

Goodness, where to start . . .

No, that isn't what inclusivity means. I'll leave it there, because I don't see this leading anywhere positive.

 

[Trauma]

Goodness, where to start . . .

No, that isn't what inclusivity means. I'll leave it there, because I don't see this leading anywhere positive.

Yes I know, but I didn’t know how else to phrase it.

The point is they are turning traditionally white characters into other ethnicities and calling it inclusive.

Seems foolish to me.

Who not create amazing new characters of all ethnicities?

It seems so lazy. Sorry we don’t want to put in the effort to create new stories so we will just re-do the old ones.

I don’t think anyone has a problem with all ethnicities being represented but stop forcing it.


I could care less if they made a new animated film with a white lead for the next 20 years just stop race swapping all the old stories to show how “inclusive” you are.

It’s pandering and it’s disgusting.

 

[dig311dug]

If PatF received a wholly original ride instead of an existing attraction reskin, would they still tout it as “being inclusive”?

 

[LittleBuford]

The point is they are turning traditionally white characters into other ethnicities and calling it inclusive.

Most major characters in film and TV, including in remakes, remain white.

As I said, this exchange isn't a rabbit hole I want to go down with you, so I'm bowing out.

 

[Trauma]

Most major characters in film and TV, including in remakes, remain white.

As I said, this exchange isn't a rabbit hole I want to go down with you, so I'm bowing out.

That makes sense, when you know your wrong leave.

“Most major characters in film and TV, including in remakes, remain white”

Great so let’s change that!

Let’s make the majority of new stuff non white.

No one will complain.

I’d be willing to bet the movies GIANT numbers.

Or continue with lazy race swap pandering and having your movies bomb.

Stop making excuses for laziness under the guise of something is better than nothing.

Also not trying to be combative this topic just really angers me because is so obviously creative laziness and still people rush to defend it.

Doing the right thing the wrong way is not the way to fix this problem.

 

[Dear Prudence]

If PatF received a wholly original ride instead of an existing attraction reskin, would they still tout it as “being inclusive”?

I wish they had gotten the film(s) right the first time around. I wish that if they were going to have changed it over, they would have done it closer to the film coming out, and not zeitgeist exploiting BIPOC pain. I wish that it wasn't also tied to a Disney + series (which, to be fair, already looks better than the film on many accounts). I know I wish a lot of things, but I wish that things would actually be inclusive, and they wouldn't just drag out their tokens to stop what is often entirely legitimate criticism. It occurred to me that we're probably going to get an attraction based on a Disney Plus series, which, you know, has potential, and is fine by me (because the Tangled series is so good!!!), but I wish they could just do things they should have already been going without expectation of being rewarded.

 

[Incomudro]

As a larger kid genetically, I never cared whether someone looked like me in a movie nor after losing weight but remaining big framed did I appreciate Heavyweights because of that as much as the comedy. I did not care for Rainman nor any movie that had a Savant syndrome case represented because "hey that's me" even though I am in the spectrum and have had some things come easier for me while some things more difficult. I think what incomudro inclusivity can just be not something someone needs over good characters and writing.

Exactly.
And I believe that the quest for inclusivity is often persued over good characters and writing.
Matter of fact, it's demonstrable in many current works we see on tv, and movies.
And it's destroying the parks.