LittleBuford
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I don't think anyone here is suggesting that inclusivity should take the place of good characters and writing. They are not mutually exclusive goals in any way.
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Dear Prudence
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But they left in grotesque Native caricatures. Because of course they did. Because of course those are appropriate. :/ sigh.
Dear Prudence
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Anyway, Disneyland's Splash has Xmas decorations, did they bother with WDW? Anybody know?
Animaniac93-98
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Did WDW's Splash ever have Xmas decorations?
GoneForGood
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It did not. But Brer Rabbit and Brer Bear appeared in the old WDW Christmas Party Parade with spoken lines (The Pre-2007) one.
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Dear Prudence
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I know they did Halloween decorations, so I just assumed they'd do something for Xmas.
My, my, my, Redd. What a nice chest you have thar.
Yep. So admittedly that very thought did cross my mind but I posted anyway to see if someone would respond with a similar line. Works for me. Sexist maybe but they be pirates. Any line is better than the insufferable and irresponsible advert for Rum, the way the scene currently plays. Gold is the ultimate pirate treasure. Can't have the redhead... I'll take the gold!
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I don’t understand this point.
Todays version of inclusivity would be akin to taking your middle eastern characters in Aladdin and making one of the lead roles white.
Don’t forget to also include background characters sexual proclivity for no apparent reason, but make sure it’s done in a way where it can be edited out for your Communist overlords in China.
GladToBeHear
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Good. Nor should you. You ARE included. You're part of the human community -- with the rest of us.
You go right ahead and enjoy Aladdin all you want.
I'm not.
LittleBuford
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Yes, I realise that. That doesn't stop me from deriving a special sort of enjoyment from stories, films, and characters that resonate with me on a more personal level. I doubt I'm alone or unusual in feeling this way.
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LittleBuford
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Goodness, where to start . . .
No, that isn't what inclusivity means. I'll leave it there, because I don't see this leading anywhere positive.
Yes I know, but I didn’t know how else to phrase it.
The point is they are turning traditionally white characters into other ethnicities and calling it inclusive.
Seems foolish to me.
Who not create amazing new characters of all ethnicities?
It seems so lazy. Sorry we don’t want to put in the effort to create new stories so we will just re-do the old ones.
I don’t think anyone has a problem with all ethnicities being represented but stop forcing it.
I could care less if they made a new animated film with a white lead for the next 20 years just stop race swapping all the old stories to show how “inclusive” you are.
It’s pandering and it’s disgusting.
LittleBuford
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Most major characters in film and TV, including in remakes, remain white.
As I said, this exchange isn't a rabbit hole I want to go down with you, so I'm bowing out.
That makes sense, when you know your wrong leave.
“Most major characters in film and TV, including in remakes, remain white”
Great so let’s change that!
Let’s make the majority of new stuff non white.
No one will complain.
I’d be willing to bet the movies GIANT numbers.
Or continue with lazy race swap pandering and having your movies bomb.
Stop making excuses for laziness under the guise of something is better than nothing.
Also not trying to be combative this topic just really angers me because is so obviously creative laziness and still people rush to defend it.
Doing the right thing the wrong way is not the way to fix this problem.
Dear Prudence
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I wish they had gotten the film(s) right the first time around. I wish that if they were going to have changed it over, they would have done it closer to the film coming out, and not zeitgeist exploiting BIPOC pain. I wish that it wasn't also tied to a Disney + series (which, to be fair, already looks better than the film on many accounts). I know I wish a lot of things, but I wish that things would actually be inclusive, and they wouldn't just drag out their tokens to stop what is often entirely legitimate criticism. It occurred to me that we're probably going to get an attraction based on a Disney Plus series, which, you know, has potential, and is fine by me (because the Tangled series is so good!!!), but I wish they could just do things they should have already been going without expectation of being rewarded.
Incomudro
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Exactly.
And I believe that the quest for inclusivity is often persued over good characters and writing.
Matter of fact, it's demonstrable in many current works we see on tv, and movies.
And it's destroying the parks.
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