Sirwalterraleigh
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The best option is at MK, or DHS
And as my trusty buddy @Sirwalterraleigh says. Trust only the shovels.
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News Zootopia and Moana Blue Sky concepts for Disney's Animal Kingdom
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BlakeW39
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Themes are the underlying predicates which string together a creative enterprise. In order for a work of art to be cohesive, it must be thematically consistent. Zootopia is inconsistent with the themes of Animal Kingdom, and therefore— no matter where it goes —will hinder the park with its presence alone.
It's not complaining...it's criticism. As fans and as consumers, it's our job to criticize things that aren't good. And Zootopia in DAK isn't good.
The best option is at MK, or DHS
And as my trusty buddy @Sirwalterraleigh says. Trust only the shovels.
Or not at all, preferably.
FigmentFan82
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The billion dollar movie with a sequel on the way will make its way into WDW.
When and where are still speculative, but seems like the blue sky stuff isn't too far off from what will most likely happen.
BlakeW39
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While I'm not sure that I like the new "ride the movies" premise of DHS, because I find it wildly generic and not really any different than what they're trying to do with the rest of their parks....at this point, it is a lost cause. There is no feasible way to course correct DHS and return it to its original theme. So sure, bring on the IP lands. Zootopia had good world building and is popular with some internet communities, so I don't personally have an issue with a miniland at DHS. However I doubt the franchise has enough draw to support anything more than a miniland.
With zero (positive) impact outside of the box office. Stellar. Putting this in any US theme park is a mistake.
People need to stop with saying everything should have a "miniland". It's an asinine assertion that encourages rip-and-replace by people like the Bob's and Josh. That's all they've freaking done in the last 20 years is give us "minilands", to the detriment of the parks.
BlakeW39
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Okay I have to ask....what's your problem with Zootopia as a film? I whole-heartedly agree it doesn't belong in DAK, but by the standards of Iger-era WDAS I thought Zootopia was a pretty strong film and greatly superior to some of the others, like Frozen.
My thoughts are well-documented in various related threads. And probably this one in the past 10 pages. But since you asked nicely - Formulaic TV police drama extended to 90 minutes. Not original or creative in the least bit. And certainly not worthy of 10% of the praise people heap upon it.
BlakeW39
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Fair enough, but I think modern DHS has minimal artistic merit as a park and to be frank, I just don't care what happens to it anymore. There is no way that
hole of a park is going to be fixed in the next 25 years and if I'm being honest it probably never will be.
Which is a damn shame because, for now, it still contains one of the perfect creations of WDI - The Tower of Terror.Fair enough, but I think modern DHS has minimal artistic merit as a park and to be frank, I just don't care what happens to it anymore. There is no way that
FigmentFan82
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According to who? You?
Again, I've said that I get why people aren't as big on Zootopia as other IP, but dismissing it outright seems silly.
MagicHappens1971
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Speaking for myself, I don't feel Zootopia has as much "staying power" as other Disney projects. I know they just announced the sequel, but the film has been far more popular overseas than it was here in the U.S.
I also don't think Zootopia needs to come to the U.S. parks, and if it were to, I think it should go to DHS rather than DAK.
As long as it doesn't go into MK, the skyline in Shangai is atrocious. Zootopia doesn't belong in a castle park, not that it matters, I don't think thats on the table here. Just a tangent.
BlakeW39
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I do love me some Tower of Terror. One of the best attractions currently on property alongside SSE, KS, and maybe a couple others. Hollywoodland was also really strong for a while, until GMR was replaced by the typical out-of-place IP vomit that is Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Trainwreck, which by the way has a plot that is absolutely incomprehensible.
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MagicHappens1971
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I see that you're clearly not a fan of MMRR, which you are entitled to your opinion... however, GMR (which was a great attraction) was also "IP Vomit". The whole premise of the attraction was that you were "riding the movies" which obviously fit better within the original mission for Disney-MGM Studios.
My point being that I don't really think its fair to say that MMRR is "IP vomit" when GMR was the same.
Also Mickey & Minnie fit everywhere, they're quintessential Disney.
Disgruntled Walt
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- In the Parks
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As I have mentioned here, I have never been on MMRR, but the very fact that it replaced GMR makes me dislike it. And furthermore, they've used the nightmare-inducing Mickey from the new shorts. I don't have a problem with MMRR existing somewhere (Animation Courtyard??!), and GMR was also based on IP. Mickey and Minnie are an IP that should have a ride. Just not there. And not looking like that.
FigmentFan82
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Totally valid viewpoint and I hear ya. I happen to enjoy Zootopia, but like I said I get that many don't.
My take a few posts back was that where it's rumored to go is off the beaten path and a bit hidden anyway, so it's not like people will be forced to see it's presence from tons of other parts of the park, even when you're in that specific area. Moana will be the one that's really splashy and in your face in that area, if/when that happens.
MagicHappens1971
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I do like Zootopia, just to put that out there.
Granted that Moana/Zootopia will likely happen, I would say that it will still be a big draw for many people. I do wonder how they would fit in it back there, I would imagine they'd have to expand the park boundary to do it justice.
BlakeW39
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Sorry, I tend to use some inflammatory rhetoric when it comes to the current parks trajectory. I shouldn't call it vomit....perhaps the better point is, MMRR is a ride I found enjoyable but with a very convoluted plot, and I dislike that it replaced the GMR because the latter attraction both had superior capacity and fit better in Hollywoodland and in the park as a whole.
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denyuntilcaught
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Lots of hot takes in this thread. IMO - I agree that MMRR is a good, fun fit for a park that lacks cohesion like DHS. Because there is no clear MO any longer, it broadens the lens as to what I think is acceptible. MMRR does a solid job at entertaining and fitting into the context of which it was built into, and honestly sometimes it's best to sit back and enjoy. It doesn't take itself more seriously than necessary.
Re: Zootopia, I take issue with the argument that it shouldn't come to life as an attraction simply because it has "zero cultural impact," which is already arguable. Lacking cultural impact, in my mind, doesn't mean that it'll produce a poor attraction. Instead, the attraction can serve as an opportunity to drive that resonance by tapping into the different storytelling medium to reimagine or expand upon the story, versus a "book report" attraction.
Re: Zootopia, I take issue with the argument that it shouldn't come to life as an attraction simply because it has "zero cultural impact," which is already arguable. Lacking cultural impact, in my mind, doesn't mean that it'll produce a poor attraction. Instead, the attraction can serve as an opportunity to drive that resonance by tapping into the different storytelling medium to reimagine or expand upon the story, versus a "book report" attraction.