This. ^^^^
On average you would be looking at somewhere between 1-2 hours worth of extra travel round trip. All of that to save $14. One could assume that this family also drives 18 miles out of their way to save 2 cents on a gallon of gas.
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On average you would be looking at somewhere between 1-2 hours worth of extra travel round trip. All of that to save $14. One could assume that this family also drives 18 miles out of their way to save 2 cents on a gallon of gas.
powlessfamily4
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I am a little more concerned with the poor example she set for her kids. I find myself more and more disgusted with societies lame excuses for trying to work over any system they find themselves involved in. Cheating is wrong. To attempt to justify it is disgraceful. This parent should not be surprised to find her child cheats on a test later in life. We have a very limited time to set an example for our kids and sadly most parents would rather get one over on the “system” than be the example. Just because you can do, something does not mean you should. She should have reduced her vacation by a day and paid to park. It is no wonder society if flushing itself down a toilet and no one seems to care.
powlessfamily4
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I can’t believe you would suggest its Disney’s fault for “letting” it happen. Are you serious? Shame on Disney for treating us like respectable adults and expecting a person to be decent. I hope this woman is the exception to the rule and not the new trend of normal.
slappy magoo
Well-Known Member
There is a system in place that can prevent this sort of thing from happening. The guards, presumably, are paid to do a number of tasks and one of them, presumably, is to prevent WDW from losing money by people who are not staying in a Disney resort, parking in a resort's lot specifically to bypass the fee charged in the theme parks' lots. If someone is able to circumvent the system by waving a years-old pass in a guard's face, then either the guard isn't doing his/her job, or he/she has been instructed not to sweat it, which means this issue seems more important to us than it does for WDW. The only reason this bothers me is that, yes, a WDW vacation is expensive, and I can't help but think that some of the increase in prices, however statistically insignificant to an individual like one of us, is tied to losses they incur elsewhere, be it shoplifting or people complaining a meal was no good after eating more than half of it so they can try to weasel out of paying for it, OR parking in free lots and busing to the parks. Just like if you shoplift from a mall, it doesn't really affect me but for the fact that were they NO shoplifting (or no need to pay insurance for theft or no need for security cameras or extra security forces in the store or at the mall), the price of that item might be a little cheaper for people who ARE honest and who DO pay.
So yeah. It's Disney's fault, or at least the fault of the guard. Huan nature dictates some people are scumbags some of the time (others all the time, and others none of the time) If they did their job, then people would be less inclined to try these sorts of workarounds.
cowanfamily
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Based off of what your saying, if nobody's not looking, take what you want. This type of thinking has led to the entitlement mindset of everybody. If the cops aren't their to prevent the crime, then it's not a crime. Let's blame the police for every break in because they weren't looking in the right place. It's ok if you sneak into a bar at the age of 16, your fake ID fooled them, drink up honey! Basically what the woman did was steal. If I were to go and steal a $150 coat from Macy's, I would go to jail. But, if the people working don't notice, it's perfectly legal! Slappy, I bet things get pretty crazy in your world!
slappy magoo
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Nope, based on what I'm saying, if you're running a very large business, be prepared for people to try to take advantage of the company somehow, somewhere, and take appropriate steps, especially when you're aware it's happening and how easy it can happen.
If you think I think the woman who supposedly gamed the system was within her rights to do so, you're wrong. People like that make me mad, but I recognize that they exist. I also recognize very simple steps can be put in place to insure they can't game the system the way she supposedly did, as simple as actually giving someone a three-hour ticket for their windshield when they park in a resort's lot, with the provision that they could very well get towed after that three hour period. It's also as simple as a guard getting off his or her *** and looking to see if a card is still valid (and one of the reasons why I think this story is B.S. in the first place - WDW gives you a parking pass to keep on your dash the duration of the trip, so why is this woman supposedly waving her "card" around and getting in? Unless this guard or WDW doesn't really care about parking violators?)
wdwmomof3
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Exactly!
MaxsDad
Well-Known Member
Not exactly. It would be more like the cops unlocking the door so you don't have to break in. It would be like the bar selling you your ID, knowing it was fake when you used it, and doing nothing about it. Or waving the stolen goods in the face of the Security at Macy's and laughing as you walk by.
But is stealing still stealing if the victim knows it is occurring and allows it? Yes, it is.
MaxsDad
Well-Known Member
I think I knew that kid too!
Polydweller
Well-Known Member
IMHO, I think your friend simply bragged to you and actually didn't get away with that. The resort passes clearly have the dates on them and the guards can see them easily so the chances of pulling that off for an entire week is very low. But it makes a good story and let's her be 'proud' of something whose accuracy you could never check.
MKCP 1985
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There are various ways to avoid paying for parking if one is of a mind to try and is willing to risk being caught or turned away.
I highly doubt those who "get over" care about anyone here's pity. :shrug:
But scamming the guards to park at All Stars on an expired pass is about as lame as it comes. :ROFLOL:
I highly doubt those who "get over" care about anyone here's pity. :shrug:
But scamming the guards to park at All Stars on an expired pass is about as lame as it comes. :ROFLOL:
DznyGrlSD
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
graphite1326
Well-Known Member
First of all, I wouldn't stay off Disney. The money she saved probably was used up in gas.
There's actually a number of off-site hotels and resorts that are quite close to the parks. She would have come out ahead in that regard....
JillC LI
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In my opinion both the woman and the guard were in the wrong - the woman was legally in the wrong and the guard was probably not performing his job duties. But to the point highlighted above, if a victim knows that "stealing" is occurring and allows it, then it is no longer stealing - under the law, it is taking with consent. However, if the guard consented to the taking without his employer's (Disney's) authorization, then in this case, yes, it was equivalent to stealing.
Monty
Brilliant...and Canadian
- In the Parks
- No
Ingenuity would only be the case if she was actually doing it well. Scamming free parking at an All Star resort is probably the least effective method. You're a long way from parks and it's probably costing you much more in time than it could possibly save in parking costs.
There are much more efficient and effective ways to do it, but I won't elaborate since it's still fundamentally wrong.
MaxsDad
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Thank you (no sarcasism, really thanks) for the law angle on the question. Good point. I was referring to the moral issue of right and wrong, not modern Man's interpretation of such.