Wookies, & Rebels, & Droids... OH WHY?! The Anti-SWL in Disneyland Thread

Rich T

Rich T

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I say "Complete Overhaul!"
... I wonder who currently owns Sid and Marty Krofft properties...
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Travel Junkie

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mickEblu said:
Coruscant would be too hard to execute. Naboo could work but they would never going to go with a prequel land.

Hoth and Tarooine aren’t aesthetically pleasing. The answer is Endor.
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Mac Tonight said:
This is the problem with setting a SW land in a location. Over the course of 8+ films, where did we spend the most time in a singular location?

Exactly. They needed to create a neutral ground where multiple storylines could co-exist.
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Endor was only in a small portion of the original trilogy. They would be severely restricting what they could do. They could have added a speeder bike ride to GE, but they could not have had a Cantina or any number of other things in a land themed to Endor.

I have mentioned my issues with the land but not being Star Wars enough is not one of them. It feels like being in that universe even if we hadn't been to this specific place in the films...yet.
 
mickEblu

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Travel Junkie said:
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Endor was only in a small portion of the original trilogy. They would be severely restricting what they could do. They could have added a speeder bike ride to GE, but they could not have had a Cantina or any number of other things in a land themed to Endor.

I have mentioned my issues with the land but not being Star Wars enough is not one of them. It feels like being in that universe even if we hadn't been to this specific place in the films...yet.
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Yeah that’s understandable. Endor is what I personally would have wanted. However, don’t underestimate the power of Disney to come up with a suitable backstory to “justify” whatever they want to include in the land. Like I said earlier, I think aesthetics and fun rides should be the pillars, then work everything else around that.

I also think Endor would be more harmonious with DL.

It seems that they prioritized immersion and story. With that said the end result seems a little scattered and probably doesn’t resonate as deeply with fans as it could have if they picked a single location. Creating an original land based off the most successful IP in American history but still having to provide the highlights from 2 of the trilogies yet keep it relevant for the younger audiences is no small task.

To be clear my personal issue with SWL is not that it’s not Star Wars enough either. It’s the aesthetics and the execution of the Falcon so far. I don’t see why you spend that much money to take us to a war torn desert. Take me somewhere that I would spend money to go on vacation instead.
 
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Travel Junkie

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mickEblu said:
Yeah that’s understandable. Endor is what I personally would have wanted. However, don’t underestimate the power of Disney to come up with a suitable backstory to “justify” whatever they want to include in the land. Like I said earlier, I think aesthetics and fun rides should be the pillars, then work everything else around that.

I also think Endor would be more harmonious with DL.

It seems that they prioritized immersion and story. With that said the end result seems a little scattered and probably doesn’t resonate as deeply with fans as it could have if they picked a single location. Creating an original land based off the most successful IP in American history but still having to provide the highlights from 2 of the trilogies yet keep it relevant for the younger audiences is no small task.

To be clear my personal issue with SWL is not that it’s not Star Wars enough either. It’s the aesthetics and the execution of the Falcon so far. I don’t see why you spend that much money to take us to a war torn desert. Take me somewhere that I would spend money to go on vacation instead.
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I guess the question becomes if they had built Endor, but added a backstory to justify everything else needed for the land would fans balk because that wasn't the version they remember in the movie.

I agree with taking us to a spot we want to go visit vs GE which is in a state of conflict. In my visit, once you get over the the New Order side of the village and the Storm Trooper are out patrolling it feels like a Disneyfied state of marital law exists.

It is also baffling that all of the most obvious rides you can think of around Star Wars (X-Wing's, Tie Fighter's, Motor bikes, Pod racing) all involve fast movement and what we get is a simulator and a slow moving trackless ride. Some type of coaster seems like it would have been a given.

You are right. They prioritized the immersion into the land they created. It's hard to say without the E-ticket up and running yet, but it feels like the experiences in GE are built around you paying extra (lightsaber, droid, Cantina) to be a temporary citizen of the land.
 
Donaldfan1934

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BrianLo said:
Now I totally agree with you, but the land was designed for DL, not DHS.

So the problem is with DHS technically, the extrinsic design differences were not motivated by Florida cloning whatsoever.

Florida should have upscaled the shops and built a third attraction.
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Keep in mind that a Star Wars themed area area was mandated for both coasts when Disney bought Lucasfilm. While the the land’s designers porobaby did consider its potential DL implementation first given the space limitations of that park, at no point was it going to be a one park deal. https://ew.com/article/2014/08/05/disney-theme-parks-star-wars/
 
mickEblu

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Travel Junkie said:
I guess the question becomes if they had built Endor, but added a backstory to justify everything else needed for the land would fans balk because that wasn't the version they remember in the movie.

I agree with taking us to a spot we want to go visit vs GE which is in a state of conflict. In my visit, once you get over the the New Order side of the village and the Storm Trooper are out patrolling it feels like a Disneyfied state of marital law exists.

It is also baffling that all of the most obvious rides you can think of around Star Wars (X-Wing's, Tie Fighter's, Motor bikes, Pod racing) all involve fast movement and what we get is a simulator and a slow moving trackless ride. Some type of coaster seems like it would have been a given.

You are right. They prioritized the immersion into the land they created. It's hard to say without the E-ticket up and running yet, but it feels like the experiences in GE are built around you paying extra (lightsaber, droid, Cantina) to be a temporary citizen of the land.
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I think only the hardest of hardcore fans would balk. And tbh I think that those hardcore fans will also nitpick at GE. I believe more people would appreciate having something more aesthetically pleasing and something they ve seen in the film as well as the fun rides. Plus, it could have easily looked like Endor with the Forest / Ewok village and then some First Order base tucked into the Forest somewhere. Of course, I suspect that selling merch was priority #1. Over the attractions even. Which I think is a bad starting point. The cantina, lightsabers and droids are cash cows. Those would have been more difficult to pull off in Endor. But hey, what’s Launch bay for?

Like you said, it’s insane that In 14 acres and 2 E tickets, the fastest ride we have is a slow moving trackless vehicle. This is Star Wars!!!
 
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mickEblu

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TROR said:
I'll keep saying it: I like the idea of a unique planet. That's always the way they should've gone. But the planet they designed just isn't it.
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After I got over the ROA getting hacked and a 14 acre Single IP/ Star Wars Land going into DL I began to question the logic of building an original land based on IP but ultimately embraced it as it sounded ambitious and ultimately thought I’d rather have an original land inside Disneyland (even if based on IP) than a land taken straight from the movies. I was never worried about the aesthetics as the concept aren’t looked much more green and pleasant.

Now that I’ve seen the final result (I’ll reserve final judgment for when I see it in person) I think I personally would have been happier with a recreation of Endor for aesthetic reasons, most likely a more thrilling ride and a land that for me would probably feel more in harmony with DL. I do agree with you that a unique planet is a cool idea, it just appears that it is harder to execute. Anyway this is all kind of a moot point because Endor was never considered for the backstage area, only TL. I’m Just playing Staggs/Chapek for a day. And I do like the fact that their is still hope for a fresh optimistic TL in the future which wouldn’t have been the case if Star Wars or Marvel took over TL.
 
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The_Mesh_Hatter

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mickEblu said:
I don’t like that I get a dessert chaparral vibe from the ROTR side of Galaxies Edge. I get enough of that living in So Cal. I wish they would have went with a more forested look with pines etc. and just more mature trees in general. Maybe I’m just not seeing them in the pics/ videos?
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I’m catching up so maybe someone already applied, but it actually is pretty forested. It’s like Frontierland. The village has *some* trees, and then it’s surrounded by forested areas (along the railroad and around the Resistance ride).
 
socalifornian

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mickEblu said:
I think only the hardest of hardcore fans would balk. And tbh I think that those hardcore fans will also nitpick at GE. I believe more people would appreciate having something more aesthetically pleasing and something they ve seen in the film as well as the fun rides. Plus, it could have easily looked like Endor with the Forest / Ewok village and then some First Order base tucked into the Forest somewhere. Of course, I suspect that selling merch was priority #1. Over the attractions even. Which I think is a bad starting point. The cantina, lightsabers and droids are cash cows. Those would have been more difficult to pull off in Endor. But hey, what’s Launch bay for?

Like you said, it’s insane that In 14 acres and 2 E tickets, the fastest ride we have is a slow moving trackless vehicle. This is Star Wars!!!
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I’m not into Harry Potter much, but I’m kind of envious of the fans since they’ve been able to walk through Hogsmeade and up to Hogwarts. Then round 2 with Diagon Alley/Gringotts. Walking up to the Falcon was awesome, there just wasn’t a connection to the planet aside from it aesthetically feeling like Star Wars. Piloting the Falcon was also awesome, tho it was during an unfavorable part of the timeline when Han is already gone and Chewie was just there on the sidelines. It’s full of missed opportunities, including the lack of other ride systems like you were saying. I don’t think having that extra ride open is going to feel like enough, it needs more attractions
 
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mickEblu

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The_Mesh_Hatter said:
I’m catching up so maybe someone already applied, but it actually is pretty forested. It’s like Frontierland. The village has *some* trees, and then it’s surrounded by forested areas (along the railroad and around the Resistance ride).
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Maybe I’m just not getting that from the videos and pics. It does look more desert chaparral to me and somewhat like new Big Thunder Trail.
 

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