Will IOA ever surpass a Disney park attendance wise?

Will IOA surpass a Disney Park in Florida?


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The Empress Lilly

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Not liking Universal is one thing, but to try and continue painting it as the poor man's competition to Disney is delusion of the highest pixie dust snorting levels.
Well, not a poor man's competition. UNI has quality rides, and a general sense of quality all about it.

However, to me too UNI still fails to connect on an emotional level, misses the magic, UNI just doesn't resonate with the audience the way Disney parks do. UNI feels like a summer popcorn flick. You marvel at the showmanship of it all, will think it delivered on the hundreds of millions worth of special effects. But the movie doesn't stay with you the way a classic story can, it doesn't have a lasting emotional impact beyond the thrill and excitement of the moment.


Personally, I would pick one walk from Star Tours along Echo Lake down Sunset to ToT over a week at UNI, but that's just me.

I like UNI alright. I'll do my two days at UNI during my Disney trip, I have a swell time, but if it weren't for WDW I might never visit Orlando again, I think I'd go see Yosemite or Chicago instead.
 

ParentsOf4

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However, to me too UNI still fails to connect on an emotional level, misses the magic, UNI just doesn't resonate with the audience the way Disney parks do. UNI feels like a summer popcorn flick. You marvel at the showmanship of it all, will think it delivered on the hundreds of millions worth of special effects. But the movie doesn't stay with you the way a classic story can, it doesn't have a lasting emotional impact beyond the thrill and excitement of the moment.
I have a similar emotional attachment to WDW but think it's not because WDW parks connect with me. It's because I connect with WDW parks. WDW no longer does anything special to build that connection. Instead, guests naturally connect to WDW theme parks because of their association with Mickey Mouse, a connection made years ago. Instead, WDW executives milk the Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse icons for all they're worth. Uni fails to make the connection not because their parks are worse but because they don't have an IP as appealing as Walt and Mickey.

Let's pick on the two parks that were intended as direct competition: DHS and USF. Swap the location of the two, add some Mickey Ice Cream Bars to the newly positioned USF, and I believe most WDW fans would defend USF as the second best park (behind MK) in Orlando. If, for example, Despicable Me was a Disney IP, then Disney fans would point to it as a shining example of a Disney renaissance.

Universal is trying to become a place to "vacation like you mean it" and is working really hard to improve its offerings.

Conversely, WDW hasn't done anything in recent years to try to win our business. Quite the opposite; they have gone out of their way to cut corners, to cheapen the parks. WDW is surviving largely on being the place that has Walt and Mickey. They are surviving largely on the legacy Walt created decades ago.
 

Victor Kelly

Well-Known Member
Personally as far as a movie park goes. UNI has it in the bag with both of its parks, period. DHS cannot hold a candle to UNI's parks. Much has improved at UNI since it opened attraction wise. But they have a lot of breakdowns, cleanliness issues, few food options and leave a lot to be desired for in overall customer service.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
I have a similar emotional attachment to WDW but think it's not because WDW parks connect with me. It's because I connect with WDW parks. WDW no longer does anything special to build that connection. Instead, guests naturally connect to WDW theme parks because of their association with Mickey Mouse, a connection made years ago. Instead, WDW executives milk the Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse icons for all they're worth. Uni fails to make the connection not because their parks are worse but because they don't have an IP as appealing as Walt and Mickey.

Let's pick on the two parks that were intended as direct competition: DHS and USF. Swap the location of the two, add some Mickey Ice Cream Bars to the newly positioned USF, and I believe most WDW fans would defend USF as the second best park (behind MK) in Orlando. If, for example, Despicable Me was a Disney IP, then Disney fans would point to it as a shining example of a Disney renaissance.

Universal is trying to become a place to "vacation like you mean it" and is working really hard to improve its offerings.

Conversely, WDW hasn't done anything in recent years to try to win our business. Quite the opposite; they have gone out of their way to cut corners, to cheapen the parks. WDW is surviving largely on being the place that has Walt and Mickey. They are surviving largely on the legacy Walt created decades ago.
Well said, well said.

As for me, WDW survives on the legacy WDW created decades ago.

I remain inconsolable about the Epcotalypse. Frankly, I often find myself bored and without things to do in FW. WS was never finished in the first place. DAK I like, but misses that final touch of magic. Also, it just needs another billion worth of investment, in placemaking, beautification and rides. At the MK I often put a hand or park map in front of my view, that I may be spared the view of the Carpets, of cartoons everywhere, of the assault on Main Street and Fantasyland. I hate stinking Buzz in Tomorrowland. DHS I still love, but it never did find a new identity after the studio aspect was dropped. Guests now walk in areas that were meant to be backstage, areas boring and ugly, the Toy Story characters only increasing the tacky ugliness of it.

There's my Disney magic for you. :)

At UNI I still prefer USF over IoA. I think USF quite pretty in areas, with some awesome rides. At IoA, I love Spidey (astonishing ride!), Ripsaw, and the Jurassic area. At Potter I really only do Dueling Dragons. The rest of the park is a bit lost on me, not my vibe. I like it, but at the end of the day could also do without it.
 

Jimmy Thick

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Original Poster
However, to me too UNI still fails to connect on an emotional level, misses the magic, UNI just doesn't resonate with the audience the way Disney parks do.

This is extremely true, and the biggest reason why I feel Disney does not consider Universal real competition, and honestly, they shouldn't.

Disney is magical, it becomes a part of you, Universal is a place to go for some rides, like a little better themed Six Flags, who as a theme park is more their competition that the company that created the theme park genre.

I love Universal, I really do, but its this feeling of attachment from Disney that will always insure none of the Uni parks will top the very worst Disney park in Florida.


Jimmy Thick- Suddenly honest, forceful emotion, blame it on my ADD...
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
Personally as far as a movie park goes. UNI has it in the bag with both of its parks, period. DHS cannot hold a candle to UNI's parks. Much has improved at UNI since it opened attraction wise. But they have a lot of breakdowns, cleanliness issues, few food options and leave a lot to be desired for in overall customer service.
Yes, Disney does have a lot of breakdowns, cleanliness issues, terrible food options and leave a lot to be desired for in over all customer service...
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
This is extremely true, and the biggest reason why I feel Disney does not consider Universal real competition, and honestly, they shouldn't.

Disney is magical, it becomes a part of you, Universal is a place to go for some rides, like a little better themed Six Flags, who as a theme park is more their competition that the company that created the theme park genre.

I love Universal, I really do, but its this feeling of attachment from Disney that will always insure none of the Uni parks will top the very worst Disney park in Florida.


Jimmy Thick- Suddenly honest, forceful emotion, blame it on my ADD...

I sure hope that isn't true. Many a company have failed when they took that stance that they were untouchable by their competition.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
Andddd.... This is where I stopped reading. Sorry.
Over the years I have visited most Six Flags. Typically they have lots big thrill roller coasters and are kept relatively clean but leagues below any theme park with an international draw, such as WDW or Uni. Maintenance is pretty poor, nearly every ride needs to be striped down and repainted, and theming is often just plain bad.

Conversely, my local (Atlanta) Six Flags charges $54.95 per person for a family season pass. To try to compare Six Flags to theme parks that charge up to $100 per person for a one-day ticket is unrealistic.

Although WDW and Uni sometimes are guilty of Six Flags behavior (consider the state of Splash Mountain before the most recent refurb or the entire Dragon's Challenge lack of theming during the ride itself), anyone who seriously compares WDW or Uni on a grand scale to a Six Flags has a severe case of beer goggles.
 

Chezman1399

Active Member
It would take a significant downturn in Disney Parks for this to happen, not an upturn in Universal. First, even with the Harry Potter additions I don't think Attendance for either park has even reached what Universal Studios got before IoA opened (8.9 million). Second, they just don't have room to expand anymore because of physical location. It's not a matter of not being competition because of quality, it's a matter of not having the physical resources to compete. They can't stay open later or perform late fireworks shows most of the year due to noise complaints. They are cut off from Disney. Lastly Disney sets operating parameters and makes money off a section of IoA, Marvel Island. So in reality it would be very difficult for them to compete with Disney. Even with all the upgrades they're always fighting an uphill battle, especially when the most of the changes consist of not actually adding rides to the park, but either subtracting a ride to add a ride or retheming an already existing attraction.

They just don't have the room.
 

Victor Kelly

Well-Known Member
Yes, Disney does have a lot of breakdowns, cleanliness issues, terrible food options and leave a lot to be desired for in over all customer service...

I was speaking of UNI. But I can see where you are coming from for Disney as well. It is not as good as it used to be back in the 80's.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
It would take a significant downturn in Disney Parks for this to happen, not an upturn in Universal. First, even with the Harry Potter additions I don't think Attendance for either park has even reached what Universal Studios got before IoA opened (8.9 million). Second, they just don't have room to expand anymore because of physical location. It's not a matter of not being competition because of quality, it's a matter of not having the physical resources to compete. They can't stay open later or perform late fireworks shows most of the year due to noise complaints. They are cut off from Disney. Lastly Disney sets operating parameters and makes money off a section of IoA, Marvel Island. So in reality it would be very difficult for them to compete with Disney. Even with all the upgrades they're always fighting an uphill battle, especially when the most of the changes consist of not actually adding rides to the park, but either subtracting a ride to add a ride or retheming an already existing attraction.

They just don't have the room.
Don't believe the TEA numbers. IOA already outdraws DHS.
 

Fox&Hound

Well-Known Member
Uni just cannot compare to Disney for me and my wife. Maybe that is based on nostalgia, but how is that a bad thing? It's a legacy the company has built and therefore deserves to use as a foundation. Characters like Mickey Mouse, Ariel, Belle and the Beast, Peter Pan, Dumbo- those are characters that were created or re-imagined by Disney and therefore have made this amazing park based on these properties. But I disagree that they have done nothing but rest of their laurels. Yes, do we all wish that they have done more or built more rides but can you really look back on the past ten years and say they have done nothing but rest on Walt's success????? No way...
 

cheezbat

Well-Known Member
Uni just cannot compare to Disney for me and my wife. Maybe that is based on nostalgia, but how is that a bad thing? It's a legacy the company has built and therefore deserves to use as a foundation. Characters like Mickey Mouse, Ariel, Belle and the Beast, Peter Pan, Dumbo- those are characters that were created or re-imagined by Disney and therefore have made this amazing park based on these properties. But I disagree that they have done nothing but rest of their laurels. Yes, do we all wish that they have done more or built more rides but can you really look back on the past ten years and say they have done nothing but rest on Walt's success????? No way...
Last ten years? No.

2003 we got Mission Space
2005 we got Lights Motors Action and Soarin'
2006 we got Expedition Everest

But since 2006 we've gotten lesser attractions. Nothing like the previous decades.

Aside from those E-ticket level attractions we've seen nothing but a few smaller C and D level ticket adds...most additions were forced on them by Burbank. If TDO could get away with not spending a cent for a decade, they'd do it in a heartbeat.
 

SherlockWayne

Active Member
IOA, in my humble opinion, is the worst best theme park in the world. I say this because IOA has so much potential, but so far fails to act on that potential. This is very sad.

The theming is well done, where they chose to do it. I take a big issue with awful sight lines generated by the Forbidden Journey, Poseidon's Fury, and even Spidey. Jurassic Park seems to be the only attraction where they made a solid effort to hide what shouldn't be seen. Disney has its spots where that is an issue too, but never to the same degree. In those instances where these happen, it's either a minimal distraction, designed to be part of the theme, or seen from outside the park, which admittedly is not ideal, but I grant a bit of leeway on that one. I'd even extend that leeway to Universal. Universal's efforts to separate IOA from the real world are poor. You can see way too much of the real world from way too much of the park. I don't grant them the lack of land excuse, a quick visit to Disneyland Park will show how well the outside world can be kept from a themed environment.

My other main issue is just the general lack of things to do. If you can't do thrill rides and water rides aren't your cup of tea, your day will be pretty boring. Believe it or not, there are times where it's chilly in Orlando. On those days, water rides just aren't practical. Not only that, but walking around the park soaking wet is actually a pain in the butt to some folks, myself and my family included. I consider myself lucky I'm good with simulators, that means when I visit IOA, I can do HP:FJ, and Spidey, which are good and great respectively. I can't, unfortunately, do anything with a significant drop, which leaves out Dudley, Jurassic Park (especially heart-breaking for me, did they really have to go so tall and steep?), Hulk, Dr. Doom, and the Dragons. That means, with the aforementioned sims, I can do Cat, Poseidon, Trolley, Storm, and Hippogriff. For me, that feels like the equivalent of visiting Fantasyland, minus a couple rides. Yeah, I could do Sinbad, but after the first time, I think I've had my fill.

So, with rides being a little underwhelming, I look to environments, and IOAs are similarly underwhelming. Marvel is painted flats, Suess is interesting, but starting to look a bit run down, Jurassic Park is a nightmare of missed opportunities, and Toon Lagoon is fun for a few pictures. Port of Entry, Potter and Lost Continent are well done, overlooking the horrible visual intrusions. But as some have mentioned, they feel like a blip, and they're gone. Walking through these areas is like walking through Mexico and Norway at Epcot, yeah it looks nice and maybe there's a nice attraction involved, but you can do it pretty quickly. I can say the same about the park in general, the longest I've ever spent at one time there is maybe four hours at best, and that usually involves at least four rides on Journey and a usually at least couple on Spidey.

What bums me out is that IOA could be so much more. A little work on the visual intrusions, a few new attractions that have cross-demographic appeal (ala Haunted Mansion, Test Track, Kilimanjaro), and the park could truly be great. As it is now, it's a classy scream park with a couple masterpiece attractions, best enjoyed on a hot day. Taken toe to toe with anything at Disney, I would say it comes close to overtaking DHS, but not quite. Now, USF...that's a different story altogether. That park is way better than DHS, and I'd even say stronger than DAK. USF is the studio park DHS should be, I think it has a better chance of surpassing a Disney parks attendance than IOA. Not many opportunities have been missed at that park.
 

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