DisneyAnole
New Member
Not if you adjust for ticket price inflation.
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
When will SSE be finished?
- Thread starter mousermerf
- Start date
Not if you adjust for ticket price inflation.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
Adjusted for inflation:
Star Wars: Episode I: #19
Spiderman 3: #97
Transformers: #100
Considering the tens of thousands of movies that have been release, these, I feel, still prove my point.
fyn
Member
My position: Future World has regressed with regard to its theming and overall messaging with the addition of Mission: Space, Test Track, The Seas with Nemo and Friends, JII refurbs, and now the SSE refurb.
The facts that support it: EPCOT Center used to be comprised of attractions that discussed the past, present, and future of how human beings live. Each attraction was specifically focused on a distinct element of the human experience. With each element of that theme that disappears, the original design intent of Future World is significantly diluted. To conclude, when looked at as a cohesive design, Future World has absolutely regressed.
People will surely disagree because "They like it better the way it is now," which is fine, but you can't argue the design is nearly has complete or elegant.
Fyn
DisneyAnole
New Member
Well, no offense, but I disagree.
SW: Ep 1 basically rode the coattails of the Original Trilogy, so you can't really say that Ep1 was successful on its own merits. Spiderman 3 also benefitted from following two prior Spiderman movies. Which leaves Transformers (a movie that will be pushed out of the top hundred this year, mind you)--a movie that was based on toys and cartoons from the 80s, meaning it had a built-in market as well.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Its a theme park attraction.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
See, now if others can put together an argument as well structured and supported as this then debates could happen.fyn said:
I agree that the focus and cohesiveness of Future World has been lost with the introduction of attraction such as Soarin and Test Track. I think that the sense of exploration and discovery are still there.
You sir are correct and this is lost when debating the merits of it. I'll admit I don't understand the attachment to Epcot compared to other parks. WDW could burn down tomorrow and I would get over it and move on pretty quickly.
Hrudey3032
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't get over it quickly.I look forward yearly to visiting the World and relaxing and breaking the stress of my everyday life and job.I have had some of my best memories there and while I would ultimately move on I would feel like a part of me was gone.
Hrudey3032
Well-Known Member
Yea I think we turned left at Disney Drive when we should have went right at Epcot Lane.Its ok its a SSE thread and what would a SSE thread be if we didn't get off topic from time to time? :ROFLOL:
montyz81
Well-Known Member
I couldn't agree more! March 1983 was the best Epcot I knew. I am sure it was better once Horizons opened but it wasn't open in March of 83.
MousDad
New Member
I disagree somewhat. Here's my opinion on Tomorrow's Child. I'm a "post Tomorrow's Child only" generation of SSE rider. I never experienced the attraction when it had the song.
I hear TC all the time on Live365, and I have to be honest I'm not really crazy about it. It's okay, but it doesn't affect me in any way emotionally, and sounds extremely dated. There's lots of old and current park music/songs that I like much better.
I say this to make the point that I think adding TC back in now would appeal only to those people who experienced it in the original attraction, not to both groups as you suggest. Just my opinion.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Awww,thanks Expo!We should start a club! As for TC perhaps a updated version would be good.Ala We Go On?
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
I now understand why youd want to forget it so quickly. :animwink:
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Zing! 
Timmay
Well-Known Member
The one thing this thread proves is that everyone sees things different…the way they want them to be. SSE is not going to make every single person happy. It just can’t, not now, not ever.
See, some of us get that concept. We understand there are attractions in the park that just aren’t what we want, or what we like. But we accept that as a part of doing business. We don’t expect Disney to cater to us and us alone. We are realists. We understand Disney must cater to a very, very large number of different tastes.
However, not every one here does get it. They do expect Disney to cater to them alone. An attraction or park is not the same as it was 10, 20, or 25 years ago and the world has stopped spinning on its axis. It’s not the way they want it to be…who cares what other people think, because those people that do like it are dismissed as being simple minded, easily amused, not very clever, or a multitude of other things. The bottom line is they simply do not like the attraction, yet we hear things like “the music is boring”, “the park no longer shows us the way to the future”, or “people are not inspired by this or that”. In my opinion, that is hogwash. I think it is simply a matter of something not being the same as it was before or not living up to what they think it should be.
What some fail to realize is that people today may not want to go to Epcot to be inspired. Some of us are subjected to lectures, seminars and classes almost every day of our lives that revolve around inspiration, pep talks, and new and improved innovative ways to think “outside the box”. When some of us actually get to take some time off from work once every couple of years and go to WDW, maybe we just want to get away from all that “inspiration” and simply be entertained.
But then again, I realize all that is just my opinion.
See, some of us get that concept. We understand there are attractions in the park that just aren’t what we want, or what we like. But we accept that as a part of doing business. We don’t expect Disney to cater to us and us alone. We are realists. We understand Disney must cater to a very, very large number of different tastes.
However, not every one here does get it. They do expect Disney to cater to them alone. An attraction or park is not the same as it was 10, 20, or 25 years ago and the world has stopped spinning on its axis. It’s not the way they want it to be…who cares what other people think, because those people that do like it are dismissed as being simple minded, easily amused, not very clever, or a multitude of other things. The bottom line is they simply do not like the attraction, yet we hear things like “the music is boring”, “the park no longer shows us the way to the future”, or “people are not inspired by this or that”. In my opinion, that is hogwash. I think it is simply a matter of something not being the same as it was before or not living up to what they think it should be.
What some fail to realize is that people today may not want to go to Epcot to be inspired. Some of us are subjected to lectures, seminars and classes almost every day of our lives that revolve around inspiration, pep talks, and new and improved innovative ways to think “outside the box”. When some of us actually get to take some time off from work once every couple of years and go to WDW, maybe we just want to get away from all that “inspiration” and simply be entertained.
But then again, I realize all that is just my opinion.
plpeters70
New Member
While I agree with almost all of your post, I wanted to comment on this line. Wouldn't you agree that because WDW has four theme parks now, it would be better to have varied experiences at the parks? The WDW parks are becoming almost carbon copies of one another - with slightly different window dressing. Sure, one is devoted to Animals, and one is devoted to Movies, but they all have almost the same type of attractions now. (I.E cartoons everywhere!!) They only exist to entertain now - their original mission statements are all but forgotten.
I'd like to see WDW parks go back to being unique individuals - let EPCOT be the toon-free zone that is all about inspiration and education, let the Magic Kingdom be the place of family fun, let The Studios educate and entertain about the world of movie-making, and let Animal Kingdom educate us about our animal friends. I want totally unique experiences when I walk into each Disney theme park.
That's what made the original EPCOT Center so special -- it was totally unique, and something you just couldn't experience any where else. That's what each Disney park should be - and it's what I would like to see them go back to at ALL of their theme parks, not just EPCOT. If I want pure entertainment, I'll go to another park -- but when I'm looking for Inspiration, I'll take EPCOT Center, and wouldn't have it any other way!
Timmay
Well-Known Member
Of course, that is why many people stopped coming to Epcot. While at WDW, they wanted something that had the feel of Disney.
To me, all four major parks do have a very different feel about them. I know not everyone feels that way, but they are as different and unique to me as ever.
I know one thing people complain about is the video screens...but "back in the day" you could have said the same about animatronics. I mean seriously, you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting one of those things.
See, it’s all just what we want it to be.
ChrisFL
Premium Member
Where's the numbers to back that up? I keep hearing this but the numbers don't lie...... I've never seen Epcot really suffer attendance issues, it's always had higher attendance than the MGM and AK.
The parks might have a different feel about them, BUT:
We have Nemo both at Epcot and AK
We have a Lion King show at both Epcot and AK
We have princesses at Norway and MK
It's happening slowly, but it IS becoming less unique and more like a clone of the other Disney parks because they can't decide what to do with it.