When is it "too friendly"? Ladies, what do you say?

[Gabe1]

Wow.

With depressing predictability, the response of third parties in rape cases usually leave you almost as angry as the rape itself:

Anytime authorities are not called in to investigate and decided "in house" my radar goes up! Way too many stories like this at Universities too where it is handled internally.

Remember the girl who committed suicide in Morocco? The man didn't have to go to jail because he agreed to marry the girl he assaulted and she was not allowed to say no to the marriage.

My DD in 7th grade Spanish had a teacher stand beside her at her desk and he ran his fingers through her hair and caressed the side of her face. She told him to stop it and he did. Came home, blurted and to school I went to talk to Principal the next morning. He called the teacher to his office right in the middle of his class. The creep told me that is normal in HIS country where he was from. (Dominica) He admitted it. The principal and school counselor were both taking notes at that time. The Principal leaped out of his chair appalled that his teacher was justifying caressing my 11 year old daughter and told him to not in this country and he didn't care to discuss his homeland. I was excused the teacher stayed with the Principal. Ultimately the Teacher stayed with notation in his file but it wasn't considered assault. He remained my DDs Spanish teacher the rest of the year as the district only had one. He remains in that school. Ewe.

 

[DDuckFan130]

Anytime authorities are not called in to investigate and decided "in house" my radar goes up! Way too many stories like this at Universities too where it is handled internally.

Remember the girl who committed suicide in Morocco? The man didn't have to go to jail because he agreed to marry the girl he assaulted and she was not allowed to say no to the marriage.

My DD in 7th grade Spanish had a teacher stand beside her at her desk and he ran his fingers through her hair and caressed the side of her face. She told him to stop it and he did. Came home, blurted and to school I went to talk to Principal the next morning. He called the teacher to his office right in the middle of his class. The creep told me that is normal in HIS country where he was from. (Dominica) He admitted it. The principal and school counselor were both taking notes at that time. The Principal leaped out of his chair appalled that his teacher was justifying caressing my 11 year old daughter and told him to not in this country and he didn't care to discuss his homeland. I was excused the teacher stayed with the Principal. Ultimately the Teacher stayed with notation in his file but it wasn't considered assault. He remained my DDs Spanish teacher the rest of the year as the district only had one. He remains in that school. Ewe.

Wow...

While I don't doubt that in Hispanic countries, they tend to be more "touchy feely," that behavior is inexcusable for a teacher. All but 2 of our teachers are Hispanic, and mostly female. Some do the "hi mi amor (my love)" and pat on the back and hug some of the kids (I hug and pat some of my kids but only when they do so...I'm a middle school teacher so it's a rarity among my kids lol but it happens), but never would it be accepted for any of us to behave in that manner, no matter what country we're from. We had a problem with a teacher this year and a security guard who would engage in questionable behavior and made the girls feel uncomfortable. They were NOT re-hired for next year.

Sorry to hear about that.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Anytime authorities are not called in to investigate and decided "in house" my radar goes up! Way too many stories like this at Universities too where it is handled internally.

Remember the girl who committed suicide in Morocco? The man didn't have to go to jail because he agreed to marry the girl he assaulted and she was not allowed to say no to the marriage.

My DD in 7th grade Spanish had a teacher stand beside her at her desk and he ran his fingers through her hair and caressed the side of her face. She told him to stop it and he did. Came home, blurted and to school I went to talk to Principal the next morning. He called the teacher to his office right in the middle of his class. The creep told me that is normal in HIS country where he was from. (Dominica) He admitted it. The principal and school counselor were both taking notes at that time. The Principal leaped out of his chair appalled that his teacher was justifying caressing my 11 year old daughter and told him to not in this country and he didn't care to discuss his homeland. I was excused the teacher stayed with the Principal. Ultimately the Teacher stayed with notation in his file but it wasn't considered assault. He remained my DDs Spanish teacher the rest of the year as the district only had one. He remains in that school. Ewe.

Eeew!

 

[Gabe1]

Wow...

While I don't doubt that in Hispanic countries, they tend to be more "touchy feely," that behavior is inexcusable for a teacher. All but 2 of our teachers are Hispanic, and mostly female. Some do the "hi mi amor (my love)" and pat on the back and hug some of the kids (I hug and pat some of my kids but only when they do so...I'm a middle school teacher so it's a rarity among my kids lol but it happens), but never would it be accepted for any of us to behave in that manner, no matter what country we're from. We had a problem with a teacher this year and a security guard who would engage in questionable behavior and made the girls feel uncomfortable. They were NOT re-hired for next year.

Sorry to hear about that.

Thanks, at least she knew to come home and tell me immediately. The sad part is I sat on that Board of Education and it wasn't considered assault, just icky. He was already tenured. At least the minutes of the meeting went into his permanent file with the instruction not to ever touch students. Creepers are everywhere.

 

[mousehockey37]

Well, being 18 and a female, I get this all the time. I get flirty waiters, one Mexican told me my Castilian Spanish accent was, "like music" to him, the Moroccan guys always flirt, and the French are the worst. Normally I take it with a grain of salt. If I ever thought they were taking it too far, I would notify a manager. But I've never had that issue, and the attention is rather nice. If they ask me questions, as long as I don't sense something about them is off (something I've found I'm pretty good at), I'll answer and smile at them. I didn't date all the way through high school by personal choice, so I'm rather good at giving the, "Thanks, but no thanks" look if I think guys are taking it too far.

It's understandable that in a restaurant setting where a person can be your server, that the flirting and being "extra" nice is just part of the gig to leave a bigger tip at the end of the meal.

This isn't that.

Ultimately, what's going to happen at some point, is that there's going to be a group, and the guys will be waiting nearby and the girls will go for the drinks. When they don't come back or one of the girl's goes back and says to the guys what is happening, the guys are gonna come over and there's gonna be a big problem. Someone's boyfriend isn't gonna take it to nicely and he's gonna give the guy 2 options... 1. Give her the drink 2. He's gonna beat his a$$ or both.

Ultimately for the single ladies that deal with this, I'd say if this happens to just yell for security. It's not acceptable behavior, it is harassment. Yell for Security and you'll have them and CM Managers coming out the woodwork. Needless to say, it'll get lots of attention in a hurry.

As far as what someone else said, I'm interested to know as well: Since it's the World Showcase in EPCOT, how are those people hired (through their home country or WDW)?

 

[mousehockey37]

Thanks, at least she knew to come home and tell me immediately. The sad part is I sat on that Board of Education and it wasn't considered assault, just icky. He was already tenured. At least the minutes of the meeting went into his permanent file with the instruction not to ever touch students. Creepers are everywhere.

You go to the press with something like that, or a lawyer, that teacher won't be there.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

As far as what someone else said, I'm interested to know as well: Since it's the World Showcase in EPCOT, how are those people hired (through their home country or WDW)?

The young ones apply and are selected from their home country. Disney runs the program and provides training. There are some older ones who I've talked to who got hired here after already migrating. Here's a link to the website if you want specifics

https://www.disneyinternationalprograms.com/

 

[real mad hatter]

I've heard some things about the Norwegian girls

Whit!!!...Like they come from Norway

 

[Darth Tater]

My BIL is a CM and he told me to avoid that drink stand because the men there are definitely trying to get someone to marry them for citizenship. Several of the men there have told my BIL this directly.

Well I am afraid to say it but on 3 different occasions my girlfriends (friends that are girls) have also run into issues with the male CM's from Morocco being very pushy, rude with them or down right inappropriate.

I had a similar experience one time at the pavilion.

I can say as an Epcot CM who has shared the CP bus with many an international cast member - the Morocco pavilion is infamous for this.

^This is what disturbs me the most about this story...it seems to be a repeating occurrence overlooked by mgmt. rather than a rare incident.

 

[LoveMyMoroccan]

Let me first say that it was unfortunate that you had this experience at the Morocco Pavilion. I personally know many Moroccans that have worked and are currently working there. I am in fact married to a wonderful Moroccan man for almost two years now. He is the best man I have ever met. I have been to morocco once and are going back this August. It was one the best experiences of my life. Eveyone I ran into was friendly and polite, and greeted me like family. Never once did I feel threatened or in danger. I've had worse experineces dealing with American men. To read one post that said men in morocco treat women as subhuman is atrocious. They respect their mothers more than themselves. Obviously, there are good and bad in EVERY country, but this does not represent the whole. In the Moroccan culture, it is not even normal to talk to a woman outside your family unless she approaches you first. From my understanding that is. When they come to America, they tend to not know how to talk to ladies here. They watch movies and see how men talk to ladies. Of course, this is just what I see. I am not justifying what that particular CM did, but I want you to understand it is not the whole morocco represented at Disney world. On the matter of American girls and Moroccan man divorcing after green card/citizenship, the case is not always the Moroccan in the wrong. I have seen many successful marriages and I have seen many go sour. And 100% of the ones I see go sour are the fault I the American girl. Maybe you don't see the whole story of your friends. On guy was married to a American girl who only wanted to go to house of blues every night and drink. With or without him there. She had no respect for him. But you don't hear his story, you just see the more girl. She filed for divorce, and during the separation she kept going back to him asking to take her back. she didnt even spell her husbands name correctly on the divorce papers. Another case, a man was married to a American older woman for over six years and they have a beautiful daughter. He was devastated to get a divorce. She did the paperwork because she didn't "trust" him, but in fact, she was a paranoid woman who had her eyes on another man. She started dating another younger Moroccan two days after she first delivered the papers to him. Another one doesn't work and spends her husbands paycheck on over $400 of clothes every chance she gets. I can go on and on about the innocent girls being taken by their Moroccan husbands. It's not fair to assume anything when you don't know the facts. I wrote this post primarily to speak on behalf of the good and faithful Moroccan men. I asked my husband to see if he can find out who was working that day in he cart. My husband no longer works at EPCOT, but he has a few close friends that still do. One of them a manager there. I hope this gives you a better outlook on Moroccan men. They are not all jerks. And not all men here are looking for citizenship. All the Moroccan men I have met when they worked at Disney are wonderful people.

 

[Prototype82]

That's worse than when the Moroccans charged me twice for my coffee.

 

[JESPOOH]

I am a mother of an American woman married to a Moroccan man. I can only say that you can't judge all Moroccans by the behavior of a few. The one thing that impressed about my daughter's husband is that he was so respectful to me. Before he started dating my daughter he asked if it would be alright, since I am Jewish and he is Muslim. The one thing I noticed right away about him is how he is so different from a lot of American men I have seen, he holds the door for women, stands up for women on a bus, never drinks or smokes. I just hate how it seems on this website that everyone is piling on, telling their "horror" story about a Moroccan person. Well here is a good story. I know several Moroccans through my daughter who are very kind, and nice. So please don't think everyone is like that CM.

 

[sweetpee_1993]

@LoveMyMoroccan , first of all welcome. Interesting that you joined today and your first/only post was on this thread. I don't think people were knocking the Moroccan culture and all Moroccan men as a whole. What's being pointed out is there is a problem with this particular group of young men working in the Moroccan pavillion at Epcot who have demonstrated what appears to be frequently some pretty inappropriate behavior with young women. The comparison to other cultures and the terrible treatment of women wasn't a jab at Moroccan culture. Some had argued that perhaps the bad behavior was a cultural difference. The mention of atrocities against women in other cultures was used as an example to illustrate the fact that this would still not be an excuse for such poor behavior. Nobody was knocking the Moroccan culture as a whole.

 

[LoveMyMoroccan]

Well I specifically joined today to comment on this post. I don't normally post on forums, but this subject caught my interest. I am not picking on any poster in particular. I am simply expressing my opinion and offering another insight to Moroccan men. While some may have indicated that this was probably an isolated incident, there were a few writers who seemed to have a slight prejudice, for lack of a better word, of Moroccan men.

For someone who just comes across this thread and may not know much on the culture, may read some things and take it badly against them as a whole.

 

[AndyS2992]

I am not picking on any poster in particular.

Lol reading your post it was quite clear which comments/posters you were referring to and so you were picking out individual posters.

I did not say all Moroccan men are sexual deviants, but the Middle East and African nations in general do see women as inferior. Currently in Egypt and India right now, women are getting raped and assaulted for having their own opinions and men don't like this. They see women as easy targets, as these Moroccan CMs do in hopes of fooling one into granting them US citizenship then ditching them.

But regardless, welcome to the boards, but do personally find your username a little insensitive given the situation.

 

[LoveMyMoroccan]

I'm sorry if my name was, just too much for you Andys2992. Guess I should think carefully next time, because it might be "just a little much" Being that this is a thread on a particular Moroccan CM at EPCOT, I am not here to comment about the upheaval in Egypt, and other countries. My original post was about Moroccan men that I have met. Yes, it was unfortunate that happened to the creator of this thread and her friend. My comments were meant specifically to address how I feel and my experiences specifically with the men who come to work at Disney.

 

[AndyS2992]

Being that this is a thread on a particular Moroccan CM at EP Yes, it was unfortunate that happened to the creator of this thread and her friend. My comments were meant specifically to address how I feel and my experiences specifically with the men who come to work at Disney.

Which is fine, although it does seem many of them take the job to scam their way into US citizenship as others have mentioned but as before, not all of them do this obviously.

 

[LoveMyMoroccan]

I agree with you. I have seen a few, but the majority are good people. There are always the few that spoil the batch.

 

[Monkee Girl]

I'd like some input from the fellow gals on WDW Magic about this curious situation.

My friend and I went to Epcot on July 3rd and we stopped by the Morocco beverage stand (can't say I know the exact name of it right now) and there were two young men running the booth and one of them was being very inappropriate with my friend. I struggle over whether he was being serious or actually "trolling" because he was so heavy handed with his delivery. At one point he told my friend she looked too young to order alcohol and asked her what her "secret" was. Fine.

But...then he insisted on knowing how long we were in town and when we were planning on leaving. All of this before he even moved to serve her her beer. We said we were from around and leaving that very day and he kept saying "tonight? tonight?" and implying he wanted to meet up with us later on at some point. My friend kept asking him for her beverage (now we are here about 10-15 minutes longer than we need to be) and when he finally poured it he took another two minutes peeling the label from the bottle and affixing it to her glass as he asked more personal questions. My friend, getting annoyed, insisted that she have her beverage and told him this was now crossing the line into "bad service". His counterpart by the way was steering clear of the situation, he was actually watching with a worried smile. The guy would not let go of the drink as she was trying to take it from his hand. When he finally relinquished it we happily walked off but you could hear him keep asking when we were leaving and then he started to laugh in what I would describe as a "menacing" tone.

Being flirtatious is fine, it's welcome in most cases. But something about this interaction left us both feeling a little weird. He was being very forward and his demeanor was rather unsettling. The fact that his partner was not getting involved and simply looked over at me with a confused look on his face is telling that this guy is always doing this sort of thing. I debated telling someone in management but I decided to let it go because maybe something got lost in translation.

Has anyone ever experienced park employees trying to get them to meet with them after hours or being just a little too "friendly"?

I just started reading this thread so I haven't ready any post. I just wanted to put my initial input it regarding the situation. I thought it was interesting you mention this happening in the Moroccan Pavilion because I had two similar situations happen in Morocco. Two different guys though.

The first time was about 3 years ago. I thought I would check out the food since I am not a very adventurous eater but I LOVE the Moroccan Pavilion. And since I didn't have anyone in the park with me that day I thought it was my change to try something new. So I got a Shwarma platter and took a seat inside the cafe in a, what I thought would be, quiet little nook over by the pastry counter. So I am sitting there eating and this guy comes over and asked how I was enjoying the food. All good, I told him I really wasn't an adventurous eater but I really enjoyed the meal. And then he left and would come back on and off. Now, I am very self conscious, I don't think I am pretty and, as you, don't like to sound conceited and that people are flirting with me...but I couldn't help it. He starts asking how long I was in the park and that he gets off at 7 and that we should get together afterwards. I was really thrown back because 1, as I said...self conscious (I couldn't tell if he was serious or joking with me...I had bully problems in the past) 2, it was a cast member and I didn't know if that was even legal (yea, I am naive too), and 3, it was just so forward I didn't know what to think. Luckily, I was going to the Luau at the Polynesian with family and had an excuse to decline. I then finished me meal, left and had a funny story to tell my family how the guy in Morocco hit on me.

Skip forward to this past April and I decide to go have lunch in Morocco again. This time though, I sat in the same area (no where else to go) but I positioned myself so my back was facing the counters thinking I wouldn't be bothered. But nope, a guy comes over with a cup of tea for me. I really don't know why...I mean, it was a very nice gesture. I had my soda from my quick service and he came over and said it was the Moroccan tea (the mint tea) and it was on the house. Again, I was kinda thrown back a bit but at the same time, I thought...maybe it was a 'magic moment' or something. And yea, it's weird because...people just appear to not be nice anymore that when someone does to something generous, you can't help but feel skeptical or thing 'ok, what's the catch' I feel horrible feeling that way! Anyway, I was polite and we were talking, he asked what brought me on the trip and I said we were celebrating my cousin's birthday. He said, I should bring her to the cafe and they would do something for her birthday. But I told him she was at another park for the day (not true, omg, I can't believe I lied, lol) and thanked him for the generous offer. I left again thinking...what is it with Moroccan guys in this pavilion?

Now, I never felt creeped out...not really. It was just weird because, normally people, especially the workers, don't bother you while you're in the middle of a meal. So I wasn't sure what to think about the two situations. I played it off as teasing or flirty and didn't try to look like a deer in headlights. So maybe that is why I was not so worried...but once I read your story...I am now wondering if it is something with the guys in there or are we just way too paranoid?

Anyway, off to read the rest of this thread, I am interested to see what everyone has to say.

 

[sweetpee_1993]

There are always the few that spoil the batch.

True in all walks of life, unfortunately.