When is it "too friendly"? Ladies, what do you say?

[sweetpee_1993]

Yes the whole thing was very buffalo bill-esque in his tone and demeanor. I think the poor guy really has no idea how creepy it comes out.

Someone needs to straight up TELL these guys they're being creepy. Don't be nice about it. Just say it. Like 10 years ago I was walking out of a store to our car where my husband and sons were waiting for me. As I walked out a truck full of sweaty guys drove slowly past and the guys in back were all whistling and making smoochy noises and stuff. I don't know what got into me but I stopped in my tracks, spun around, and said, "Does that really work for you? Have you ever behaved that way and actually scored? Quick tip, guys. THAT will get you the opposite of what you're fishing for....so f--- off." No room for wondering. Gotta be blunt.

I don't tolerate boorish idiots who believe simply because of some misguided idea that they are somehow immune to normal standards of decency. Cultural differences aside, manners are manners, and the willingness to give respect to others should be a given, especially at WDW. If your country of origin is "more tolerant" of certain types of behavior, great, stay there if you refuse to comply with ours or anyone else's standards of decency.

And my intolerance of these "pigs" has only gotten worse now that I have a teenage daughter.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Cultural differences don't apply here. These guys are employed in a US theme park. They can learn about the customs HERE or go HOME. Simple as that. Think of the attrocities against women that are tolerated in other countries. Would it be excusable for those guys to come here and abuse women the same way because of their cultural differences??? No. If the guys in question don't know their sick behavior is unacceptable, TELL them. Straight up. Dude, you're creepy. Nothing you say is going to gain you any variation of a yes. If you want girls to like you, do NOT act that way. Give me my drink. Get a life. And I WILL be reporting you.

DARN IT why are there no creepy guys flirting with me?? No one has even pealed a label in my direction. I think I'm gonna go hang out around the Morocco pavilion next time we go. I know it's a serious situation, but I'm old so I get a little giddy when I get flirted with.

LOL! That one made me laugh!




On a similar note to this story... Without going into too much detail, the good Lord didn't see a need to "endow" me very well so I took care of that about 5 years ago. I always heard girlfriends who were better...uh...stacked......complain about guys talking to their chests and not them. Never was a problem for me in my younger years. Since the installment I've actually experienced this for myself. The first time was in a big-box home improvement store. The second time was a CM at WDW. We were waiting for a monorail at the Contemporary platform when a CM walked up to me with my husband and sons right there and proceded to tell "the girls" all about which car to load into, etc. I was totally dumbfounded. I think that one was actually leaning in for a closer look, actually. When he walked away we all just looked at each other wide-eyed then died laughing. Unbelievable.

 

[sweetpee_1993]

The first time I had heard of a skin ticket it was probably around 1987-1988. I thought it was old school but I guess it's still around.

I'm 39. Never heard of it. Of course I never did the bar scene since I married before I hit legal age. LOL!

 

[I_heart_Tigger]

Ok I gave my serious response. Now please allow me to add some levity to this thread:

Very educational. Let's have some cake:

http://www.cakewrecks.com/home/2008/8/14/this-calls-for-a-celebration.html

 

[ShookieJones]

Very educational. Let's have some cake:

http://www.cakewrecks.com/home/2008/8/14/this-calls-for-a-celebration.html

Wow...that is amazing. I just spent about 30 minutes cringing and laughing simultaneously.

 

[Raven66]

[/quote/]On a similar note to this story... Without going into too much detail, the good Lord didn't see a need to "endow" me very well so I took care of that about 5 years ago. I always heard girlfriends who were better...uh...stacked......complain about guys talking to their chests and not them. Never was a problem for me in my younger years. Since the installment I've actually experienced this for myself. The first time was in a big-box home improvement store. The second time was a CM at WDW. We were waiting for a monorail at the Contemporary platform when a CM walked up to me with my husband and sons right there and proceded to tell "the girls" all about which car to load into, etc. I was totally dumbfounded. I think that one was actually leaning in for a closer look, actually. When he walked away we all just looked at each other wide-eyed then died laughing. Unbelievable.[/quote/]




I used to have this problem. The older I get the lower the guys have to look to see them.
Now I have to keep an eagle out for perverts staring at my daughter. She is 16 with something to look at if you know what I mean. There have been several times I've had to put the kibosh on roaming eyes of teenage boys. We were in the grocery store one time and the bag boy (who was in his early 20's) was so blatant in his eyeing of my kid. She was 15 at the time. I sat there watching him and I said Hey, move it along pervert she is 15. He got all red and left. hahaha My husband will tell me to tell her not to wear a certain shirt anymore. I'm like what would you have me do, buy her a turtleneck. It's not her fault that shirts look different on her then someone else. Then he says I'm right and it's my fault.

I have no idea why my answer is in the quote. I tried to fix it. Sorry!

 

[Mark In KY]

People being inappropriate and creepy is not culturally determined. "They" are to be found everywhere. And all the training in the world will not change it.

The only time in my life that I've been in a similar situation was with an overly "enthusiastic", same sex as me, bartender. He wanted to play the "I'm going to hold onto your drink until you share your name, etc. with me" game. I'm a friendly guy, but strictly hetero so I didn't wait 5 min., let alone 10 or 15; I got up, walked out and went to the watering hole next door.

 

[The Mom]

On a similar note to this story... Without going into too much detail, the good Lord didn't see a need to "endow" me very well so I took care of that about 5 years ago. I always heard girlfriends who were better...uh...stacked......complain about guys talking to their chests and not them. Never was a problem for me in my younger years. Since the installment I've actually experienced this for myself. The first time was in a big-box home improvement store. The second time was a CM at WDW. We were waiting for a monorail at the Contemporary platform when a CM walked up to me with my husband and sons right there and proceded to tell "the girls" all about which car to load into, etc. I was totally dumbfounded. I think that one was actually leaning in for a closer look, actually. When he walked away we all just looked at each other wide-eyed then died laughing. Unbelievable.

Similar - sort of. Was staying at my SIL's in the orlando area at the same time as her friend and teenaged daughter. The daughter wore a bikini top under her tee, and removed the shirt after she went through the gates. (this was back in the mid 80s) That night, she was complaining that guys kept staring at her chest all day.

 

[Nemo14]

Similar - sort of. Was staying at my SIL's in the orlando area at the same time as her friend and teenaged daughter. The daughter wore a bikini top under her tee, and removed it (the tee) after she went through the gates. (this was back in the mid 80s) That night, she was complaining that guys kept staring at her chest all day.

Which one did she remove?

 

[The Mom]

Which one did she remove?

Which one did she remove?

Fixed it.

 

[Nemo14]

Gotcha'!

 

[Gabe1]

I'd like some input from the fellow gals on WDW Magic about this curious situation.

My friend and I went to Epcot on July 3rd and we stopped by the Morocco beverage stand (can't say I know the exact name of it right now) and there were two young men running the booth and one of them was being very inappropriate with my friend. I struggle over whether he was being serious or actually "trolling" because he was so heavy handed with his delivery. At one point he told my friend she looked too young to order alcohol and asked her what her "secret" was. Fine.

But...then he insisted on knowing how long we were in town and when we were planning on leaving. All of this before he even moved to serve her her beer. We said we were from around and leaving that very day and he kept saying "tonight? tonight?" and implying he wanted to meet up with us later on at some point. My friend kept asking him for her beverage (now we are here about 10-15 minutes longer than we need to be) and when he finally poured it he took another two minutes peeling the label from the bottle and affixing it to her glass as he asked more personal questions. My friend, getting annoyed, insisted that she have her beverage and told him this was now crossing the line into "bad service". His counterpart by the way was steering clear of the situation, he was actually watching with a worried smile. The guy would not let go of the drink as she was trying to take it from his hand. When he finally relinquished it we happily walked off but you could hear him keep asking when we were leaving and then he started to laugh in what I would describe as a "menacing" tone.

Being flirtatious is fine, it's welcome in most cases. But something about this interaction left us both feeling a little weird. He was being very forward and his demeanor was rather unsettling. The fact that his partner was not getting involved and simply looked over at me with a confused look on his face is telling that this guy is always doing this sort of thing. I debated telling someone in management but I decided to let it go because maybe something got lost in translation.

Has anyone ever experienced park employees trying to get them to meet with them after hours or being just a little too "friendly"?

The whole story is icky at best, you expect far more from CMs at WDW and especially those serving liquor to guests.

There is something to be said for the philosophy behind the 'whys' Disney attempts to house a the lions share of their International Program CMs from their CP CM's. Many CP's it is their first time from home, you have a fraction of the Internationals desperate to immigrate to the US. While Disney will extend a CP in good standing program there is little hope for that in Disney's International Program. Lets face it, there are few parents that educate their young CP's going off to WDW for the first time about the dangers of falling for 'some' of the international temporary CMs. A few of the countries that Disney imports workers from are willing to 'fall in love' quickly and marry at rapid speed. Disney does what it can to thwart that and it certainly isn't encouraged. My DS lived in Vista some years back and yep he met a very nice young girl but from the US.
Lets just say when returning to your given colleges long distance at that age just isn't practical. But his fellow CPs that found love with internationals there was that urgency.

Now from what I've seen and heard, desperate IPs might believe they could court quickly an American guest and possibly convince someone to marry them before their time is up at Disney. I've had friends that have married in under 6 month of knowing someone so I have no doubt it can happen at Disney too. Now Morocco has cleaned up its act a great deal over the last few years with corruption and all, the press is slightly freer but seriously, wouldn't you rather stay in the States than return to Morocco? Now Canada, Britain and many others are a different story, but even at my DDs University it isn't unusual to find some of the young girls from China getting friendly with the American Men around campus. I had two colleagues in 1980s, both from Saudi marry American women after all that turmoil in Saudi. Both divorced after being married 7+ years. These quicky marriages have been documented in our country for generations already.

What I did find a bit unnerving was the story last month about a CP vs IP date rape and her recount of the IP from France and her story of Disney's response. With a delay of reporting and a delay contacting her parents it seems to be just brushed away. I say that mostly because according to the story it doesn't appear the allegation was reported to the authorities, only Disney and only Disney investigated and again according to the story.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

What I did find a bit unnerving was the story last month about a CP vs IP date rape and her recount of the IP from France and her story of Disney's response. With a delay of reporting and a delay contacting her parents it seems to be just brushed away. I say that mostly because according to the story it doesn't appear the allegation was reported to the authorities, only Disney and only Disney investigated and again according to the story.

Have you got a link?

 

[Hot Lava]

In no way, shape, or form is this friendly flirting. This is creepy and aggressive. He should have been reported immediately. Your friend should still call and report him. I don't care if he is looking for a visa or just a flat out creep. This is wrong and should no be tolerated. If this was just some schmoe at WDW, instead of a CM, engaging in this aggressive behavior, would you have called security?

There is a book out there called "The Gift of Fear". Basically, it posits that we allow our instincts to be overridden by cultural norms (especially women, taught to make everyone happy) and fear of not being PC. You have to trust your instincts. If you fear someone instinctively, you should follow that. This is a particular problem for women. In short, do not be cowed by fear of being called the b word!

 

[Wesleyjohn]

People being inappropriate and creepy is not culturally determined. "They" are to be found everywhere. And all the training in the world will not change it.

The only time in my life that I've been in a similar situation was with an overly "enthusiastic", same sex as me, bartender. He wanted to play the "I'm going to hold onto your drink until you share your name, etc. with me" game. I'm a friendly guy, but strictly hetero so I didn't wait 5 min., let alone 10 or 15; I got up, walked out and went to the watering hole next door.

Bingo, I feel the guy should be reported but if he was THAT creepy and pushy. Why would anyone wait more then 5 minutes for their drink. That may be easier said then done in the moment.

I'd report it regardless though

Tom Brady bit is hilarious!

 

[Sans Souci]

Have you got a link?

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/disney-rape

 

[StarWarsGirl]

Well, being 18 and a female, I get this all the time. I get flirty waiters, one Mexican told me my Castilian Spanish accent was, "like music" to him, the Moroccan guys always flirt, and the French are the worst. Normally I take it with a grain of salt. If I ever thought they were taking it too far, I would notify a manager. But I've never had that issue, and the attention is rather nice. If they ask me questions, as long as I don't sense something about them is off (something I've found I'm pretty good at), I'll answer and smile at them. I didn't date all the way through high school by personal choice, so I'm rather good at giving the, "Thanks, but no thanks" look if I think guys are taking it too far.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/disney-rape

Wow.

With depressing predictability, the response of third parties in rape cases usually leave you almost as angry as the rape itself:

The first thing the certified counselor said to me was “Well, now you know not to be hanging around boys in the middle of the night. You know what they want.”

 

[Gabe1]

Have you got a link?

Is it OK to post?

Edit: Never mind. See it is linked.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Is it OK to post?

Edit: Never mind. See it is linked.

I got a link! Thanks anyway!

 

[Todd L]

Just out of curiosity are there any pavillions where the roles are reversed and the ladies of that nation offer 'skin tickets' to the visiting males? I of course ask only so I and my fellow gentlemen can avoid these dens of iniquity

I know it sounds like a lie but i swear I was goosed by Minnie mouse when i was at Mk in 1985!!!!!