When are you going to fix that yeti?

danlb_2000

Premium Member
This was posted back in 2016 in another Yeti thread. Not sure if this is all true, but sound plausible. Even if it isn't completely accurate, this is likely the kind of problem we are dealing with. Multiple parties within the company that each has their own concerns that aren't able to come together on a solution that works for everyone.

I've been meaning to post this for quite a while, but just haven't had time. Thanks to a recent reminder from @Master Yoda to try and shed some light on the Yeti debacle....

Ok, so back in September I was at a conference at WDW, and the wife decided to book a Dine With An Imagineer lunch at DHS. I skipped one of my educational sessions to do this, and we ended up with a 2-for-1. The main imagineer was a Show Design and Production manager, who was a DWAI veteran (and most recently involved in the Frozen Ever After project); the other guy was a mechanical engineer in charge of show quality, who was a newbie-in-training, at least when it came to these dinners. He explained to us that it was his job to do periodic "reviews" of the rides, and point out areas where show quality is falling below certain standards. He's also heavily involved in maintaining ride systems and animatronics. It was a fantastic experience, and we learned a lot about how things work behind the scenes, but nearing the end of our time, I (obviously) couldn't resist bringing up the Yeti.

Immediately upon my mentioning the Yeti, I could see that it was an obvious a sore spot for him. He stated that there have been multiple proposals put forth for repairing it, but none of the "big shots" have been on board. As for the specific problem, he mentioned that there are a couple of factors: flaws in the original "design calculations" (these were his words), particularly with regard to operational and maintenance conditions on such a large animatronic, and inability to perform proper maintenance on the Yeti. No mention of "shifting/failed foundations" as is often suggested. As a practicing structural engineer, I wanted to know whether this was the problem, and he indicated that the main issue is the animatronic itself.

The other factor is the ability to perform maintenance on the animatronic. I think this is the source of rumors that they "can't replace /fix it without opening up the mountain" rumors, but it's actually much simpler, and this issue ties into the first. He specifically talked about unanticipated stresses in parts of the animatronic due to lack of maintenance in other parts. If one of the motors in the yeti's elbow wears out or isn't functioning properly, but they continue to operate under those conditions, then higher stresses are transferred to the shoulder and chest, etc. My best guess regarding his comments about "incorrect calculations" is that he was referring to fatigue related problems in the robotic parts, and possibly in other structural supports.

The other major factor is that things have changed dramatically at WDW in the last few years regarding their compliance with OSHA standards for maintenance and fall protection. Any new work done to get the Yeti operational means that they have to update the design to meet these standards, so that ongoing maintenance on the animatronic can be safely performed. This would involve major upgrades to allow compliance with fall protection and other things related to maintenance workers.

It was encouraging at least to see how much it bothered him that it didn't work. He brought up the Universal dig re: their Kong animatronic (it moves...) and said that he and his colleagues all read blogs and other social media comments for research and to pick up on things they miss in their reviews. So, there you have it. Take it for what it's worth, but this guy was no bus driver...;)
 

FigmentFan82

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I'm very curious what an entirely new Yeti would look like, if they'd kind of start from scratch to make it more optimal for it's use and setting, having the blessing of hindsight in their corner.

Also do something with Stitch's Great Escape!
 

erasure fan1

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The question is if imperceptibly bad show even qualifies as bad show. Something about a tree falling in the forest.
Yes, it qualifies as bad show since it's still being advertised, by them, on their site, as an encounter with a Yeti. That's the whole build up of the ride. It's still a fun roller coaster, even if you gut the queue and eliminate all the special effects. That doesn't mean they should.
In a maintenance importance/difficulty matrix, this would qualify as an extreme luxury since the importance to the business is incredibly low (negligible or nonexistent impact to GSAT) and the difficulty is very high relative to other maintenance
That's really the exact sticking up for Disney that I was talking about. The difficulty is high if they are completely reinstating original A mode. Like I said, that ship has sailed. They need to come up with a solution that pays off the Yeti encounter. I'm no imagineer, but I'm sure they can find a better fix than a spirit Halloween strobe light.
 

James Alucobond

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That's really the exact sticking up for Disney that I was talking about. The difficulty is high if they are completely reinstating original A mode. Like I said, that ship has sailed. They need to come up with a solution that pays off the Yeti encounter. I'm no imagineer, but I'm sure they can find a better fix than a spirit Halloween strobe light.
I don’t think it’s sticking up for them to say, “Yes, they should absolutely fix it for the prices people pay, but from a business and GSAT perspective, it is easy to see why they have chosen to ignore it.”
 

Coaster Lover

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In the Parks
No
I'm very curious what an entirely new Yeti would look like, if they'd kind of start from scratch to make it more optimal for it's use and setting, having the blessing of hindsight in their corner.

I think the replacement of Murphy at Disneyland could be telling. Like the Yeti, Murphy was added when Disney was still quite ambitious with their animatronics. If the ultimate replacement of Murphy is something simpler than what was there prior to the fire or (worse) if they decide that the show can go on without an animatronic Murphy altogether and go with projections as the permanent replacement, it would seem like the hope of a proper Yeti replacement may never happen.
 

BlakeW39

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I think sadly where the Yeti was working for so little of the rides existence that I don’t Disney will ever go back and fix it now. 90% of guests probably wouldn’t know

There's a very low probability the thing gets fixed. It sucks but it's par for the course with Disney. The day they make a competent decision that positively impacts its fans or its audience is the day I spend a full day at Hollywood Studios (not gonna happen)

Yea, I'm not sure why so many stick up for Disney on this one. They don't want to take the ride down, it's too complicated, it costs too much.... We all know that they will not restore the yeti to it's original state. That ship sailed long ago. So at this point, fixing it so it is acceptable show, is what most are looking for. And that wouldn't require a complete shutdown of the ride for months like some want to imply. Disney is just ok with bad show. Especially when it's like you said, blink and you miss it.

there is so much defending for Disney on this issue. Yes it's complex. You know what else is complex? Planning a Disney vacation these days. Or budgeting for one. I expect a large scale corporation like Disney to be able to deal with issues like this. Take the initiative for christ sake. There is point blank no excuse for Disney to not fix this thing over almost 20 years. It's insane.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Again, this implies awareness of the issue. Why would people boycott over something that seems to them to be working? What would even drive them to research it when no problem is immediately apparent?
Oh I’m not saying “boycott”

Most people ride it and are none the wiser…

The problem is the hardened That know it’s wrecked and have spent 15 years saying “it’s amazing without it!”

It’s middling…but since I saw it working 3-4 times…it could have been a classic Disney ride…like tower or splash

Pity
 

BlakeW39

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Oh I’m not saying “boycott”

Most people ride it and are none the wiser…

The problem is the hardened That know it’s wrecked and have spent 15 years saying “it’s amazing without it!”

It’s middling…but since I saw it working 3-4 times…it could have been a classic Disney ride…like tower or splash

Pity
The Yeti animatronic is the big payoff of the ride...the finale.... It is like telling a knock knock joke without a punch line...
Knock Knock
Who's there?
Yeti!
Yeti Who?
..........strobe flash...........

precisely... the yeti is the finale of the attraction, one of its headline wow moments. without it...it's 'fine,' a middling coaster with not nearly enough thrills to offset its main showscene being abandoned.

what makes the ride special is its theming. the yeti is a very important aspect of that.
 

ToTBellHop

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