What's Still On and What's Now Off

Sirwalterraleigh

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Giss Neric

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I don't mind no shows, no parades, no fireworks etc.

What I'm mostly excited about reopening is the limiting of guests entering the parks. I had the best time ever when I went right after the parks reopened after the hurricane. Scenario will be different now but the fact that you could count the people in the park is glorious.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I don't mind no shows, no parades, no fireworks etc.

What I'm mostly excited about reopening is the limiting of guests entering the parks. I had the best time ever when I went right after the parks reopened after the hurricane. Scenario will be different now but the fact that you could count the people in the park is glorious.
That’s good...but Disney absolutely hated that day and likely wished they weren’t open.

They “tolerated” that...for a day or two
 

Lilofan

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I don't mind no shows, no parades, no fireworks etc.

What I'm mostly excited about reopening is the limiting of guests entering the parks. I had the best time ever when I went right after the parks reopened after the hurricane. Scenario will be different now but the fact that you could count the people in the park is glorious.
If you don't mind no parades or fireworks then DAK is right up your alley.
 

CastAStone

5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
I assume there are people working AK and The Living Seas sorry The Seas with Nemo and Friends, but does anyone know what's happening with the various pieces of farming research in The Land?
 

Horizons '83

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In the Parks
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I assume there are people working AK and The Living Seas sorry The Seas with Nemo and Friends, but does anyone know what's happening with the various pieces of farming research in The Land?
I am assuming only essential personnel are there at the Lab, but only to maintain the greenhouses.
 

UNCgolf

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I assume there are people working AK and The Living Seas sorry The Seas with Nemo and Friends, but does anyone know what's happening with the various pieces of farming research in The Land?

We discussed this elsewhere and someone suggested the Land greenhouses were probably unmaintained.

I didn't think that was likely because of the fact they do research there in coordination with the Department of Agriculture (and thus likely have grant money at stake),
 

DDLand

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I still can’t wrap my head around how this is going to work. Other posters have pointed out that this system as designed seems extremely difficult financially. It’s going to be tight. How is Disney going to enforce social distancing? Cast Members. How is Disney going to sanitize rides? Cast Members. How is Disney going to measure guest temperature? Cast Members. Meticulous crowd control will be a necessity and that takes Cast Members. And Cast Members cost lots of money. Obviously, there is a large amount of fat they can cut. Costs will fall thanks to no entertainment, fewer restaurant workers, and fewer lanes open at the turnstiles. Even then the parks will still be labor intensive, and in some areas even more labor intensive than before.



Then you have the logistical hurdles. If virtual queues are a thing, which seems believable, then you have huge numbers of people backing up into the walkways. The lines/attractions are essential crowd control methods. People can fit densely together will queuing or riding attractions. Virtual queues never made sense, because you are still queuing. You WILL be waiting somewhere even if that isn’t in a dense queue. If each guest needs a 6 fit radius around them, how many people can fit? Especially if attractions are running at half or less capacity. That limits the number of people. The crowds we’ve become accustomed to are just not tenable in this social distancing situation.



The 5,000-15,000 they could let in daily hardly justify reopening parks. Suppose Magic Kingdom allows 10,000 people inside the gates. That’s a fraction of the 50+ thousand guests that Disney was inviting in on an average day. Even Walt Disney Studios Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland were outpacing that on an average day pre COVID-19. I’m not exactly sure why this is being planned. It feels like it could drive Walt Disney World further into the red.



A couple ideas are maybe this is about supply chain and retention. If Walt Disney World stays closed too long the reopening costs will continue to mount. It may be better to run at a short-term loss and keep Walt Disney World’s suppliers open. This may be essentially Walt Disney World bailing out its suppliers and contractors. That’s a guess. In a few months when Walt Disney World starts to see a surge in attendance, then Walt Disney World will be able to slowly end social distancing. It could also be that Disney wants investors to know that Walt Disney World is on a path to normalcy. It will look like progress, but not actually be progress. Walt Disney World could also be trying to stop AP cancellations and being forced to extend APs week after week. If an AP expires, it’s awfully hard to get guests to buy a new one if the product is closed. The continuous extensions of APs will also steal AP sales down the road. Finally Disney could start fulfilling APs again.



Everyone expecting massive discounts to “enjoy” this product… I see that as unlikely. No, I would expect Disney is going to need every dollar to make this work. Maybe if it falls flat then discounts would follow.



As for Epcot, I fully expect that it’s closed until the end of the year. Why doesn’t Disney build a 5th gate? Because it steals guests from other parks and increases operating costs if it isn’t filled to the brim. The same is true of reopening Epcot. I’m not hopeful about it.
 

Animaniac93-98

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I still can’t wrap my head around how this is going to work. Other posters have pointed out that this system as designed seems extremely difficult financially. It’s going to be tight. How is Disney going to enforce social distancing? Cast Members. How is Disney going to sanitize rides? Cast Members. How is Disney going to measure guest temperature? Cast Members. Meticulous crowd control will be a necessity and that takes Cast Members. And Cast Members cost lots of money. Obviously, there is a large amount of fat they can cut. Costs will fall thanks to no entertainment, fewer restaurant workers, and fewer lanes open at the turnstiles. Even then the parks will still be labor intensive, and in some areas even more labor intensive than before.



Then you have the logistical hurdles. If virtual queues are a thing, which seems believable, then you have huge numbers of people backing up into the walkways. The lines/attractions are essential crowd control methods. People can fit densely together will queuing or riding attractions. Virtual queues never made sense, because you are still queuing. You WILL be waiting somewhere even if that isn’t in a dense queue. If each guest needs a 6 fit radius around them, how many people can fit? Especially if attractions are running at half or less capacity. That limits the number of people. The crowds we’ve become accustomed to are just not tenable in this social distancing situation.



The 5,000-15,000 they could let in daily hardly justify reopening parks. Suppose Magic Kingdom allows 10,000 people inside the gates. That’s a fraction of the 50+ thousand guests that Disney was inviting in on an average day. Even Walt Disney Studios Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland were outpacing that on an average day pre COVID-19. I’m not exactly sure why this is being planned. It feels like it could drive Walt Disney World further into the red.



A couple ideas are maybe this is about supply chain and retention. If Walt Disney World stays closed too long the reopening costs will continue to mount. It may be better to run at a short-term loss and keep Walt Disney World’s suppliers open. This may be essentially Walt Disney World bailing out its suppliers and contractors. That’s a guess. In a few months when Walt Disney World starts to see a surge in attendance, then Walt Disney World will be able to slowly end social distancing. It could also be that Disney wants investors to know that Walt Disney World is on a path to normalcy. It will look like progress, but not actually be progress. Walt Disney World could also be trying to stop AP cancellations and being forced to extend APs week after week. If an AP expires, it’s awfully hard to get guests to buy a new one if the product is closed. The continuous extensions of APs will also steal AP sales down the road. Finally Disney could start fulfilling APs again.



Everyone expecting massive discounts to “enjoy” this product… I see that as unlikely. No, I would expect Disney is going to need every dollar to make this work. Maybe if it falls flat then discounts would follow.



As for Epcot, I fully expect that it’s closed until the end of the year. Why doesn’t Disney build a 5th gate? Because it steals guests from other parks and increases operating costs if it isn’t filled to the brim. The same is true of reopening Epcot. I’m not hopeful about it.

The truth is talk is cheap, and it gives management something to do will waiting for this to be over. Hence why all these theoretical plans are being discussed and mapped out.

But what happens when human beings with a mind of their own (guest or cast) are let in is something else altogether. We shall see. If they are even allowed to open when they want.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I agree completely. It would ruin the ride experience for so many rides... I cannot even imagine the continuously moving rides even operating under this plan! Little Mermaid, Peter Pan, Haunted Mansion, those wouldn't even be possible :(
I was thinking about this too. You can’t stop an Omnimover every time someone exits to clean and there won’t be enough time for guests to exit and to clean during unload. One way to do it would be to use every other ride vehicle (odd vs even). So riders only get into the odd vehicles leaving the even cars empty and then as the vehicles approach the exit area as guests in ride vehicle 1 and the odds exit the ride a CM hops into ride vehicle 2 and the evens and cleans. Then as the vehicles approach the load area vehicle 1 and the odds which still haven‘t been cleaned are closed and guests load into the freshly cleaned vehicle 2 and the evens. You would need a flag or more practically a temporary bar pulled down over the closed cars so guests would know which cars to load into. Sounds like a complete mess, but I can’t see it working any other way.
 

monothingie

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
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I was thinking about this too. You can’t stop an Omnimover every time someone exits to clean and there won’t be enough time for guests to exit and to clean during unload. One way to do it would be to use every other ride vehicle (odd vs even). So riders only get into the odd vehicles leaving the even cars empty and then as the vehicles approach the exit area as guests in ride vehicle 1 and the odds exit the ride a CM hops into ride vehicle 2 and the evens and cleans. Then as the vehicles approach the load area vehicle 1 and the odds which still haven‘t been cleaned are closed and guests load into the freshly cleaned vehicle 2 and the evens. You would need a flag or more practically a temporary bar pulled down over the closed cars so guests would know which cars to load into. Sounds like a complete mess, but I can’t see it working any other way.
UV Light has been shown to be effective against CV. I can't imagine something couldn't be built to blitz vehicles quickly with UV light between load and unload.
 

Tavernacle12

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I was thinking about this too. You can’t stop an Omnimover every time someone exits to clean and there won’t be enough time for guests to exit and to clean during unload. One way to do it would be to use every other ride vehicle (odd vs even). So riders only get into the odd vehicles leaving the even cars empty and then as the vehicles approach the exit area as guests in ride vehicle 1 and the odds exit the ride a CM hops into ride vehicle 2 and the evens and cleans. Then as the vehicles approach the load area vehicle 1 and the odds which still haven‘t been cleaned are closed and guests load into the freshly cleaned vehicle 2 and the evens. You would need a flag or more practically a temporary bar pulled down over the closed cars so guests would know which cars to load into. Sounds like a complete mess, but I can’t see it working any other way.

Couldn't they use the boarding pass from ROTR for all omnimover-type attractions? Let in one full cycle of guests at a time, clean the full cycle, repeat. So if there's, say, 40 Doom Buggies on Mansion, eighty people are let in, two per buggy, and as they exit all forty are then thoroughly cleaned before another group of eighty get notified they can arrive.

Personally I think the better way to open early would be to only do private parties or some sort. Let super rich people pay to let them and their friends come in and only open small portions of the parks to them. Like, maybe just Main Street, Fantasyland, and Tomorrowland or something.
 

techgeek

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UV Light has been shown to be effective against CV. I can't imagine something couldn't be built to blitz vehicles quickly with UV light between load and unload.

There's some issues to overcome. You have to use UV-C light, which is dangerous for human exposure so you need to engineer a restricted safety zone and make sure there's no light spill from it. Also to achieve 99.9% effectiveness killing the virus the exposure time has to be around 30 seconds.

Given the proximity of unload to load in most omnimovers (I mean, Pan is all of what 5 seconds butts up to butts down, and fully on-stage?), that's a tall order.

 

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