Surferboy567
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Keeping things closed for longer will mitigate and save lives. This is also a fact.
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Keeping things closed for longer will mitigate and save lives. This is also a fact.
the.dreamfinder
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Same.That’s where they should be anyway...but I digress
zengoth
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I've been reading on these forums for weeks now about worries that Disney will get sued if someone can prove they caught COVID19 on property. So, if I catch it and I can prove I got it from grocer, Walmart, picking up food from local restaurant, i can really sue? This situation seems like a caveat emptor type of deal or every open business would be getting sued left and right. Yes, I understand you have to prove you got it from somewhere that was being lax with their health practices, but i could get it going out and getting my mail or fedex package - i think responsibility has to turn back to individuals at some point in the discussion.
GladToBeHear
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For the short-term, yes. For the long-term, we don't know yet. We'll have to see. That's all I'll say about that. Going to keep the discussion on WDW.
Surferboy567
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I wasn't really referring to lawsuits...since as OP said they could just make guests sign paperwork. What I’m more of thinking if a outbreak of Chronavirus happens at WDW...that’s one major PR nightmare for Disney and will create fear. May also inspire fear and less bookings...more so then what they are expecting.
flynnibus
Premium Member
No, they also mutate to the point of making themselves extinct too.. to where they can't replicate enough to sustain their strain, etc. Sometimes they win the mutation lottery... other times they lose.
EricsBiscuit
Well-Known Member
And postponing will NOT save lives. It will only save lives if hospitals reach 100% capacity, which is unlikely. Remember, the guy who created the English model that caused all this doom and gloom also created a model saying like 150k would die from Mad Cow Disease in the U.K. alone (I think like 180~ have died so far). The models have been so far off it is ridiculous. The bottom line is this: if people who are at risk stay home voluntarily and let everyone else go back to work, herd immunity will begin to develop and the economy can begin to recover. I’ll say it again: it’s time to reopen, not just Walt Disney World, but the rest of the country as well.
wishiwere@wdw
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Since nobody else has asked, I’m gonna dare go somewhere that is going to sound selfish... but it’s a legitimate question I have and I assume others are wondering as well. (And this IS a Disney forum after all. I know what’s really important in the world we live in so please don’t take this the wrong way! Yes, I value my family’s and your family’s health and safety over our AP’s 
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With disclosure out of the way, we have 6 premium AP’s that expire in November. Well, now probably sometime in February/March I guess which is fine. Yes. Upwards of 6k. Ouch. I can sort of get over the major cuts in something like shows and characters, etc. but how do you take away an entire theme park offering and two water parks without issuing refunds or compensation; yet alone there being talk of the prices going up? I just don’t buy that. While I know for a fact much of what was in the post was accurate, much of it I also believe was simple brainstorming and what-if disaster scenarios. We aren’t at the worst-case just yet but if news like this starts going mainstream, you’ll have an entire AP community freaking out lol. Just curious on thoughts as to how they might handle such a situation.
)With disclosure out of the way, we have 6 premium AP’s that expire in November. Well, now probably sometime in February/March I guess which is fine. Yes. Upwards of 6k. Ouch. I can sort of get over the major cuts in something like shows and characters, etc. but how do you take away an entire theme park offering and two water parks without issuing refunds or compensation; yet alone there being talk of the prices going up? I just don’t buy that. While I know for a fact much of what was in the post was accurate, much of it I also believe was simple brainstorming and what-if disaster scenarios. We aren’t at the worst-case just yet but if news like this starts going mainstream, you’ll have an entire AP community freaking out lol. Just curious on thoughts as to how they might handle such a situation.
UNCgolf
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Sure, you could sue.
Just off the top of my head without putting any real thought into it -- you could bring a negligence claim and say they weren't doing enough to protect customers from a known threat. But if they had some sort of guidelines in place and were following them (especially if they were government recommended), you'd almost certainly lose. Not to mention the fact that if you yourself were doing anything in violation of the guidelines, you'd be more or less out of luck.
GladToBeHear
Well-Known Member
Since nobody else has asked, I’m gonna dare go somewhere that is going to sound selfish... but it’s a legitimate question I have and I assume others are wondering as well. (And this IS a Disney forum after all. I know what’s really important in the world we live in so please don’t take this the wrong way! Yes, I value my family’s and your family’s health and safety over our AP’s
With disclosure out of the way, we have 6 premium AP’s that expire in November. Well, now probably sometime in February/March I guess which is fine. Yes. Upwards of 6k. Ouch. I can sort of get over the major cuts in something like shows and characters, etc. but how do you take away an entire theme park offering and two water parks without issuing refunds or compensation; yet alone there being talk of the prices going up? I just don’t buy that. While I know for a fact much of what was in the post was accurate, much of it I also believe was simple brainstorming and what-if disaster scenarios. We aren’t at the worst-case just yet but if news like this starts going mainstream, you’ll have an entire AP community freaking out lol. Just curious on thoughts as to how they might handle such a situation.
These are all great questions.
VaderTron
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Yes, but the likelihood of that is even smaller than mutating to be less potent and physically damaging.
VaderTron
Well-Known Member
It's also possible that you will transfer all of your money to my bank account because you're just that nice. But we all know that won't happen either.
No one said the earth is closed or would become so. The question posed was, when it would be fun and enjoyable to visit Disney World again? That won't be this year.
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TrainsOfDisney
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I think it’s possible the parks will be back to “normal” by the festival of holidays. I also think it’s possible they will not be. Way too many unknowns.
(Normal meaning all 4 parks open, fireworks, show, candlelight, etc.)
the.dreamfinder
Well-Known Member
It goes down because we’re social distancing. Not some hoax.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Wdw owns and controls a large tract of land solely like no other entity in the US...
So it’s not a Walmart...where people don’t often spend a week sequestered in a set zone where they have no contact with anything not owned or licensed to operate by TWDC.
That could create a very unique - as in one of a kind - challenge from a legal perspective in Orlando
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LittleBuford
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Your characterisation of Ferguson's model is misleading:
Donnelly met Ferguson when they were both working for Prof Roy Anderson’s epidemiology group at Oxford University. Their first project together was modelling the BSE epidemic in cattle in 1996 and then the variant CJD (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) outbreak in humans.
They came up with an estimate that was incredibly broad for the likely number of human deaths – between 50 and 50,000 – but that was at a time when some were predicting 2 million people would be infected. There were calls for the sort of NHS resources now going into Covid-19 to be directed towards vCJD. Ferguson and Donnelly’s modelling helped defuse that. In the end the UK had about 170 cases.
Neil Ferguson: coronavirus expert who is working on despite symptoms
Epidemiologist is taking on a marathon of mathematical modelling at sprint speed
www.theguardian.com
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Which is how, when and if wdw opens and what that will require?
That’s a pretty open field...
If your looking for a date or a plan, none currently exists worth acknowledging.
Bob Iger Reveals The Biggest Obstacle To Re-Opening Disney World And Disneyland
At this point, we could all probably use a day at the Happiest Place on Earth.
www.cinemablend.com
Looks like mass testing wins.
Bob Iger Reveals The Biggest Obstacle To Re-Opening Disney World And Disneyland
At this point, we could all probably use a day at the Happiest Place on Earth.
Looks like mass testing wins.
Mass testing and contact tracing for California (and the US more broadly) is what he means. Not at the front gate.