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What would be the penalty for this one?
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Tigger1988
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Trespassing....
CoffeeJedi
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IANAL, but I'm not sure if this is trespassing because they did technically pay to enter the park. That would be a tough charge to press. And the one time they did run into a security guard, the cops weren't called.
Tigger1988
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Paying to get into the park doesn't grant you access to unauthorized areas, or CM only areas.
But if paying admission means I can do whatever I please, I'll be roaming around the lobby of ToT next time I go.
But if paying admission means I can do whatever I please, I'll be roaming around the lobby of ToT next time I go.
"They may broken the contract implied by the admission ticket that a guest won't venture into unauthorized areas..."
You don't get to have it both ways. They went into a closed attraction no longer available for guests, and swam a lake in which guests are forbidden to swim to peruse a closed park. It was trespassing.....
CoffeeJedi
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Actually the attraction was open and running when they went on it! They hopped out of their car and ran around while other guests were riding it. Were only ever seen by guests and castmembers once (the aforementioned incident with the guard)
Just talked to my wife who's in the legal field. It's definitely civil trespassing, and I was right about the admission ticket contract. She said that the criminal trespassing laws vary state to state, so she doesn't know if that would count as criminal trespass in Florida. In North Carolina it would however!
Did you break the speed limit today? Just curious.
I don't go around bragging if I exceed the speed limit, and know I deserve a ticket if I'm caught. I'm also aware of the potential danger involved, will have no one to blame but myself if I'm hurt, and will deserve severe punishment if I hurt someone else.
But I very rarely exceed the speed limit anyway, and have only gotten two speeding tickets in my life - both in areas where the limit dropped, and I had no other cars around me - which would have alerted me despite missing the sign.
So, they entered parts of the attraction by removing themselves from their cars. That voids their tickets. As would the second act....
Not to mention I'm not going to videotape myself speeding either.....:dazzle:
Buried20KLeague
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That makes a difference how?
Look, obviously no one is going to change anyone's opinion on this. I would never do it personally, and I don't know how they did without getting caught... But I'm glad it affords me a look very deep into an attraction that I wouldn't have otherwise. Ever since I was a teenager and worked in ride ops for my local six flags, I've wanted a peek behind the curtain like this at a disney attraction, and now I have it.
I follow rules in general, but I'm sure if I thought about it for a while, I could come up with a handful of things I had done that crossed a line, so I don't condemn anyone else. I'm careful not to throw stones from my glass house, but obviously that's not a concern shared by some of you here. No worries. Preach on, Preacher!!
Buried20KLeague
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I'm quite sure your whole first paragraph are sentiments they shared when they did this as well... In fact, they said as much. I don't see how that makes what they did any more or less bad than you breaking the speed limit.
And really my point was just to show that I'm sure daily most of us break a rule that puts ourselves and others on far more danger than what these guys did.
It'd be different in my mind if they were vandalizing, or stealing, or even effecting other guests...
IHeartArt
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Wrong. Underaged drinking makes you a liability to everyone around you, due to the fact that underaged drinkers are more inexperienced, haven't formed safe drinking habits yet, aren't all that cautious about their drinking, and often don't measure out how many drinks they're having. You are more likely to have to be taken care of when you're an underaged drinker and thus more likely to put those around you in a dangerous situation.
Anyhow:
a. There was no one around, and they were careful not to be seen. They weren't putting on a freaking show of this.
b. Not exactly. Such things were already being installed.
Tater48
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Did you break the speed limit today? Just curious.
Only to catch some people who did. Because of my job, I'm kind of exempt from this.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Wouldn't there have to be a rule and or sign expressly forbidding leaving your vehicle for trespassing laws to apply?
Tater48
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No. It's just like running out on a NFL or MLB field. Fully enforceable and practically unbeatable.
I think the "Keep your arms and legs in the vehicle at all times" announcement might qualify.
Spike-in-Berlin
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They broke important rules, important for safety, important for the parks to be manageable. I don't care for the reasons. There is no exception. Any one who accepts that you can break rules (not some minor ones but major ones) at WDW if you "have a reason" shows disrespect to the park and it's employees.
rkelly42
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The only people at risk are these guys. They are not risking or causing a hazardous situation for other guests. Yes what they are doing is wrong and if they get caught should be fined and or prosecuted by what ever the law says. If they were ruining someones experience or putting people in harms way I would have a problem with it, but they are only risking themselves and to each his own.
preludevtec01
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Heroes, love them! Can't believe people are "complaining" on MVT!
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
MVT.....???
Multivariate Testing
Mean Value Theorem
Military Vehicle Trust
Motor Vehicle Theft
Most Valuable Team
Multi-Variable Testing
Mount Vernon Terminal
Multi Variable Transmitter
Manufacturing Verification Test
Mobile Virtual Terminal
Motor Vehicle Transmission
Multiplexed Video Traffic
Module Verification Testing
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