What will Disney announce for Disney World at the 2022 D23 expo?

[Brer Panther]

She’s definitely singing it for a reason. To get more families to Epcot so the kids have something to see. Storyline really doesn’t matter because the goal of the whole project fell under the narrative of” there’s nothing for kids in Epcot”.

Well, yeah. Obviously she's singing it because it's such an iconic song. But there's no reason in-universe for her to sing it. It'd be like having an Encanto ride that takes place after the film, but they still sing "We Don't Talk About Bruno" - with all the same lyrics - even though the characters don't hate Bruno anymore.

But subsequent park haven’t done nearly as much such attractions.

Well, Hollywood Studios did get the Frozen sing-along. And the Lightning McQueen show. And the Mickey Mouse shorts theater thing, if that qualifies as a "show".

Do you think they'll ever do an animatronic show again? I don't think they've done a new one since Food Rocks. The Lightning McQueen show doesn't really count since that only has one animatronic and is aside from that nothing but screens. Disneyland is down to just the Tiki Room. Call me crazy, but with how recent attractions tend to use more screens than animatronics, I can't picture Chapek's Disney building a new animatronic show. At all.

 

[JoeCamel]

Well, yeah. Obviously she's singing it because it's such an iconic song. But there's no reason in-universe for her to sing it. It'd be like having an Encanto ride that takes place after the film, but they still sing "We Don't Talk About Bruno" - with all the same lyrics - even though the characters don't hate Bruno anymore.

Well, Hollywood Studios did get the Frozen sing-along. And the Lightning McQueen show. And the Mickey Mouse shorts theater thing, if that qualifies as a "show".

Do you think they'll ever do an animatronic show again? I don't think they've done a new one since Food Rocks. The Lightning McQueen show doesn't really count since that only has one animatronic and is aside from that nothing but screens. Disneyland is down to just the Tiki Room. Call me crazy, but with how recent attractions tend to use more screens than animatronics, I can't picture Chapek's Disney building a new animatronic show. At all.

They don't have the ability to develop an AA show inhouse. Those people are gone and replaced with third parties that cost a bunch to have do the work for them soooo......

 

[doctornick]

Well, yeah. Obviously she's singing it because it's such an iconic song. But there's no reason in-universe for her to sing it. It'd be like having an Encanto ride that takes place after the film, but they still sing "We Don't Talk About Bruno" - with all the same lyrics - even though the characters don't hate Bruno anymore.

Well, Hollywood Studios did get the Frozen sing-along. And the Lightning McQueen show. And the Mickey Mouse shorts theater thing, if that qualifies as a "show".

Do you think they'll ever do an animatronic show again? I don't think they've done a new one since Food Rocks. The Lightning McQueen show doesn't really count since that only has one animatronic and is aside from that nothing but screens. Disneyland is down to just the Tiki Room. Call me crazy, but with how recent attractions tend to use more screens than animatronics, I can't picture Chapek's Disney building a new animatronic show. At all.

I generally love AA shows so I’d be happy to see Disney get back into that gig (more on that in a sec) but I think film based shows like Lightening McQueen or ITTBAB or Muppetvision or Philharmagic or Circlevision all still count in the premise I’m talking about which is indoor, constantly running shows. Movies like the the Micky short or the Pixar film fest do too but they’re just lazy efforts (but are better than the alternative of nothing). I’ll actually give Disney credit for Awesome Planet which is nothing special but is a nice compliment in the Land.

I separate these from set time theatrical shows with live actors that are more intermittent. I think those are great too, but serve a different role especially as they tend to have larger theaters. You can’t have too many such shows in one park because they tend to be tough to time well for guests so you either miss a showing (and might thus avoid a show) or have to wait for a while for them to begin. I think DHS of 5-10 years ago was too dependent on such shows and it hurt the ability to tour the park (Indy, LMA, Frozen sing a long or American Idol before that, BATB, Mermaid, Disney Jr); it needed more rides and continuous shows and has a better balance now.

I understand the company moving away from AA shows but I think it’s a wrong choice especially in how imbedded they are as part of the Disney experience. And those shows still hold up - my kids were pretty blown away by both AA and HoP when we watched them last visit and they’ve always liked the Tiki birds and CBJ. I just think they need the right premise to captivate without seeming too hokey. Personally I’d advocated for an AA show in Galaxy’s Edge featuring aliens like the cantina band or Max Rebo band, etc performing the “greatest hits” of the franchise. Aliens like that would make sense to depict as AAs and would be a logical use of the tech.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

A musical show with AA aliens was proposed for Disneyland in the 90s as a replacement for America Sings.

A carousel theater show would do a great job of handling Galaxy Edge's crowds.

 

[mikejs78]

Tis not

Really…really bad ip. Like the least interesting thing ever created. But at least That’s fixable at least. I’ll try not to harp on the IP fouls though.

The whole thing is “off”. Kinda dull trackless (which seems to be on purpose).
The sim good…but like 12 seconds? Whoopee!!

The breakup/sequence is a great idea. The “room” is cool - even with the bad IP…
But what kinda Military has 300 lb people in it? I’m sorry…don’t do the “half immersion” thing…you’re not scoring points.


I’d like for everyone saying “best ever” to reride the thing? And realize its dullevile and a creative mess.

But fear not - both Star Wars rides have retheme potential. But they’re reversed. The falcon can and should be a longer E ticket…and “imperial assault” or whatever they want to make it to be respectable…can be the second tier.

Add a C…you got yourself a land

Rise is the first attraction since HM that I feel that the preshows don't feel like preshows. They feel completely integral to the attraction. The whole attraction is a mastery of storytelling, utilizing the cast to enhance the experience throughout the whole thing.

The trackless ride itself really gives off the experience of feeling like you're in a star destroyer trying to escape (and that works, regardless of what you think of the sequals). The effects, the AT-AT room, and the escape at the end with the drop cap it off. It just all works together regardless of the IP (which honestly doesn't matter a whole lot as the experience could just as easily be from the OT).

Falcon is a solid D with a C level story. I do agree with you - make it an assault mission, not a scavenger mission. Would make it so much better. But as fun as it is, it's no E.

 

[mikejs78]

I’m struggling to count 4?

Bears, tiki, COP and enchanted tales?

If that’s true…3 are very old and I don’t see COP of Bears lasting all that much longer…

Edit: forgot hall of presidents…right…not Belle

I don't see CoP going anywhere. Bears I could see. But I think TDO actually does look at that one as a homage to Walt (hence "Walt Disney's Carousel of Progress).

 

[jaxonp]

Rise is the first attraction since HM that I feel that the preshows don't feel like preshows. They feel completely integral to the attraction. The whole attraction is a mastery of storytelling, utilizing the cast to enhance the experience throughout the whole thing.

The trackless ride itself really gives off the experience of feeling like you're in a star destroyer trying to escape (and that works, regardless of what you think of the sequals). The effects, the AT-AT room, and the escape at the end with the drop cap it off. It just all works together regardless of the IP (which honestly doesn't matter a whole lot as the experience could just as easily be from the OT).

Falcon is a solid D with a C level story. I do agree with you - make it an assault mission, not a scavenger mission. Would make it so much better. But as fun as it is, it's no E.

I agree with you but...... Rise still feels emotionless and like it's missing something. It never leaves me saying wow. Considering it has so many things going for it, from it's scope and scale to it's long length, I can't say that I'm ever too fussed about reridding it. What is it missing?

 

[seabreezept813]

I agree with you but...... Rise still feels emotionless and like it's missing something. It never leaves me saying wow. Considering it has so many things going for it, from it's scope and scale to it's long length, I can't say that I'm ever too fussed about reridding it. What is it missing?

Thrill and/or characters we care about is my guess..

 

[jaxonp]

Thrill and/or characters we care about is my guess..

prob but... kids care about these new characters because that's what they know. adults, not so much. I agree that it would have been much more imposing to have Vader hunting you down on that star destroyer than Kylo... Imagine going into dark rooms or corridors where you simply heard his breathing in the distance...

 

[brb1006]

This list alone is enough attractions for a contemporary “full day” Disney park.

For those that never seen "The Walt Disney Story".

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I agree with you but...... Rise still feels emotionless and like it's missing something. It never leaves me saying wow. Considering it has so many things going for it, from it's scope and scale to it's long length, I can't say that I'm ever too fussed about reridding it. What is it missing?

The default answer is: the right characters.

They even kinda “admit” it throughout the ride

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

prob but... kids care about these new characters because that's what they know. adults, not so much. I agree that it would have been much more imposing to have Vader hunting you down on that star destroyer than Kylo... Imagine going into dark rooms or corridors where you simply heard his breathing in the distance...

Yes…as the one “cult following” Disney movie features prominently.

Also…making Daisey Ridley and Oscar isaacs the “hill to die on” is just a misstep.

“They’re just not that into you”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Rise is the first attraction since HM that I feel that the preshows don't feel like preshows. They feel completely integral to the attraction. The whole attraction is a mastery of storytelling, utilizing the cast to enhance the experience throughout the whole thing.

The trackless ride itself really gives off the experience of feeling like you're in a star destroyer trying to escape (and that works, regardless of what you think of the sequals). The effects, the AT-AT room, and the escape at the end with the drop cap it off. It just all works together regardless of the IP (which honestly doesn't matter a whole lot as the experience could just as easily be from the OT).

Falcon is a solid D with a C level story. I do agree with you - make it an assault mission, not a scavenger mission. Would make it so much better. But as fun as it is, it's no E.

You’re kinda just repeating what they said about the ride BEFORE it opened. A lot of “superfluous iosity”

I thought it would deliver…just like I thought Disney would on 11/1/12 (I think…might have been Halloween?)…

But the bar isn’t on the ground so you can come in under it.

The whole “e ticket” on a trackless has not been realized. There like a cross between a doom buggie and a wild mouse. Low thrills.

I hear mystic manor is better…so maybe someday “tame” will be eclipsed in the US?

I like the versions that were NOT considered “groundbreaking” they’re more enjoyable because they don’t take themselves too seriously. Luigi’s was a delight the first time…mickeys is fun…ratatouille is kinda graceful…

None are “breathtaking”…I don’t think that’s possible.

It should have been a coaster type system…after 40 years, they have 3 Star Wars sims. Cut it loose…for gods sakes.

Falcon has more potential because of the engineering. Easy plot line too.

Hyperspace is probably the best “pure fun” of the themed rides. What’s that say?

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

The default answer is: the right characters.

They even kinda “admit” it throughout the ride

Got it - switch the helmets on the animatronics from Kylo to Vader and suddenly it's an E Ticket?

Your criticisms of the ride have basically nothing to do with the ride itself, which is absolutely an E Ticket. Come on. This really the hill you want to die on?

 

[SpectroBro]

Funny. My kids mention Pooh, Small World, and Mermaid. They think Pan is too short.

I’m with them. Pan is too short.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

What do you guys think Disney announce for Disney World at the 2022 D23 expo?

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[Sirwalterraleigh]

Got it - switch the helmets on the animatronics from Kylo to Vader and suddenly it's an E Ticket?

Your criticisms of the ride have basically nothing to do with the ride itself, which is absolutely an E Ticket. Come on. This really the hill you want to die on?

No…you don’t got it.

It’s not really an “E” to me because the innovation was vastly overstated. Just doesn’t give you that “feeling”

There are some good props and effects…the shuttle thing is cool…the sim is pointless due to longevity…the AAs are bad and the ride system is bland and forgettable.

I’ll “die on that hill” like the 20th Maine.

…but…if you put the popular characters back in their…which if you notice…sell all the swag (funny how the 40-60 year olds from NATO countries have all the money, huh?)….

…then you maintain the E feel though nostalgia and tie ins. Longevity because of simply better/more enduring source material.

Easy kinda script. Even if it’s still a “modified book report”

Dooooo it, Bob…just go with the green, jellybean

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I am - back on track - very interested now to see if they try for some announcements?

The great “announcement” days of I believe 2015 and 2017?!?…which I took my lumps on…ended up being far less due to cancellations and ridiculous timeframes…

I want to see if Bob wants to be a “player” now?

 

[JoeCamel]

I am - back on track - very interested now to see if they try for some announcements?

The great “announcement” days of I believe 2015 and 2017?!?…which I took my lumps on…ended up being far less due to cancellations and ridiculous timeframes…

I want to see if Bob wants to be a “player” now?

Please let there be an announcement of an announcement....

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

No…you don’t got it.

It’s not really an “E” to me because the innovation was vastly overstated. Just doesn’t give you that “feeling”

There are some good props and effects…the shuttle thing is cool…the sim is pointless due to longevity…the AAs are bad and the ride system is bland and forgettable.

I’ll “die on that hill” like the 20th Maine.

…but…if you put the popular characters back in their…which if you notice…sell all the swag (funny how the 40-60 year olds from NATO countries have all the money, huh?)….

…then you maintain the E feel though nostalgia and tie ins. Longevity because of simply better/more enduring source material.

Easy kinda script. Even if it’s still a “modified book report”

Dooooo it, Bob…just go with the green, jellybean

Yeah, the E Ticket status of an attraction is not really subject to your "feeling" about it. Expedition: Everest isn't any less an E Ticket just because it made my mom so dizzy she'll never ride it again. And it certainly wouldn't be any more of an E Ticket just by swapping out the Yeti for a Wampa.

"Innovation" isn't really the barometer either. The Haunted Mansion was an E-Ticket despite being arguably a step backward from the ambition and innovation of Pirates of the Caribbean. A few years later The Hall of Presidents was granted an E Ticket. Ambitious, expensive, but not especially innovative.

You don't like the sequel films - that's fine. I don't particularly care for Star Wars at all. But I won't pretend this attraction isn't doing the most just because of that. Your assessment smacks not of you being discerning but more of you being unable to be objective.