What Happened in Paris...can EASILY Happen in Disney World

[lazyboy97o]

Yet that is not the inside of the park and you limit the number casualties.

You will not be able to ever stop every attack unless you take the fight aggressively to the terrorists with a zero tolerance policy......but by severely reducing the chance of collateral damage you decrease the value of the target in the eyes of the terrorist.

You're only fighting innocent people. By creating huge bottlenecks you just put more people outside of the parks as sitting ducks. You also only stop people who are entering through those official means of entry, not people who decide to cut through the woods and swamps or even just fly in.

 

[bhg469]

You're checkpoints are now a bottleneck and would make a great target. The parking lots, hotels and Disney Springs also remain unsecured and great potential targets. So, no attacks prevented.

A ferry boat filled with people at the beginning of the day or after the park closes is also hundreds of people completely vulnerable and well before they pass any security. It will not stop me from using them...

I have faith that the security that I can't see is much greater than what I dont. I caught a glimpse of a plain cloths security person once, and only once. They are definitely there and this guy was definitely armed with a concealed holster. His presence assured me that there more like him. I work a lot of public sporting and entertsinment events, I mean a lot. I notice security very easily because most of them will wear their "tactical kakhis" and a 5.11 Polo shirt with the not at all obvious black boots. The Disney guy was in an inconspicuous button down short sleeve very tourist looking shirt, regular pants and sensible shoes.

I would be less worried about an event like paris then I would be about something like boston or Oklahoma city years ago. Guns don't frighten me nearly as much as a planned explosion.

 

[fillerup]

For sure there's lots of security at Disney. Some of it is unseen and it's no doubt layered. But I think some people tend to overestimate how extensive it is.

How about cameras? There are lots of them for sure, but I'd bet that 95% of them are passive, i.e. they're recording for future examination in the event of an accident, injury or crime. Active monitoring has been studied extensively and it's hugely ineffective and inefficient. The human attention span starts wandering after only 20 minutes or so. Monitoring 4 parks, 2 water parks and Disney Springs would require hundreds if not thousands of cameras. Not to mention you'd need many hundreds or thousands of CMs and acres and acres of office space to accomplish this. If that infrastructure existed, we would know about it.

Facial recognition software? What database are the faces being run through? CIA, NSA, FBI? That would probably amount to a long list of felonies for a long list of people. And if I wore a ball cap, sunglasses and didn't look up - no picture.

Hidden magnetometers? To what end? What happens when someone with intent to do harm rolls in on an ECV with bad stuff hidden on board? I know a guy (not law enforcement) who always carries - everywhere, including WDW. And that's 5 or 6 dozen times every year. He's never been detected.

I happen to think Disney security is pretty good, and I'm glad it's there. But if it were as pervasive as advertised, then you wouldn't have people climbing pyramids and not getting caught. And you wouldn't have people filming commercial movies and not getting caught.

 

[Sonconato]

Uh... what terrorist handbook have you been reading? Terrorist avoid children? Pretty sure terrorists don't avoid kids if anything sometimes that is their target because the kids are easier targets and it guarantees them more news coverage.

Exactly. Why on earth would they care about their "targets" children when they use their own children as weapons?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/child-suicide-bombers-lara-logan-60-minutes/

It's not a matter of if but when and where.

 

[LAKid53]

To be fair to the OP you quoted I don't think for one second he or she was trying to make out that they had less sympathy or outrage because children weren't involved. The point being made was some terrorists will avoid children deliberately because it's not good 'public relations' for their cause. I know a guy whose dad was originally a member of the IRA many years ago who eventually became an informant for the British Government. Many years back the IRA set off a nail bomb and a number of children in the vicinity were hurt or possibly even killed by it (it was a long time ago). There was justifiable outrage and some IRA sympathisers decided to turn their backs on the IRA due to this very incident. Those in charge of the IRA decided to be a little more careful in future bombings, not because they were kind souls but rather because they would lose more support for their 'cause' if they didn't.

Now I've no idea whether this latest group of crazies has any regards for the lives of children (they probably don't), or what their plan of action dictates to them is a 'legitimate target'. However the original point about terrorists sometimes taking into account the reaction to their 'cause' that killing children would create is a fact as history has proven.

Omagh, 1998. Sadly, it took this killing to turn the majority of those still on the fence against the activities of the various factions of the IRA and support the Good Friday Agreement.

 

[ShareBDwithMickey]

Exactly. Why on earth would they care about their "targets" children when they use their own children as weapons?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/child-suicide-bombers-lara-logan-60-minutes/

It's not a matter of if but when and where.

At no point did I say they cared about children, what I alluded too was that terrorism has to be supported both financially & politically however support is less forthcoming after an incident where the majority of those affected is children.

Warrington & the IRA is a case in point, a very significant proportion of their funding was provided from supporters unbelievably based in the USA. Warrington was a very significant reason why this particular source of funding dropped & the attacks of 9/11 saw funding largely disappear.

I fully appreciate that ISIS couldn't give a toss about who they kill, however at the moment it probably suits them politically & financially, much as it has various other terrorist groups not to be seen deliberately targeting a foreign location expressly aimed at children. Will that always be the case who knows, but it is a well documented modus operandi for this type of organisation.

Unfortunately there is nowhere completely safe & as long as people have free will there is always this potential. It is a fact, the only thing we can do is keep our eyes open, report anything suspicious & carry on as normal, to do anything else ceeds them victory.

 

[Sonconato]

At no point did I say they cared about children, what I alluded too was that terrorism has to be supported both financially & politically however support is less forthcoming after an incident where the majority of those affected is children.

I'd like to believe that your first statement is correct, but IMO, it is not considering Osama Bin Laden had Disneyland as a target in the early 90's as pointed out by @marni1971.

 

[ShareBDwithMickey]

Allegedly yes, however it is telling that to the best of anyones knowledge it never progressed any further than his list of potential targets, where as others were most definitely targeted, sadly some successfully.

 

[marni1971]

I'd like to believe that your first statement is correct, but IMO, it is not considering Osama Bin Laden had Disneyland as a target in the early 90's as pointed out by @marni1971.

What's worse - for want of a better word - is an attack at any major theme park in a tourist destination is guaranteed to have multiple nationalities as the victims, and the global repercussions that could follow.

 

[marni1971]

Allegedly yes, however it is telling that to the best of anyones knowledge it never progressed any further than his list of potential targets, where as others were most definitely targeted, sadly some successfully.

DL was slightly more than a potential target in 2001. Thankfully - if that word can be used - it wasn't high in the list of targets.

 

[NonnaT]

WDW, Disneyland, and any other Disney park have ALWAYS been targets. If you live your life in fear you will never do anything or go anywhere, and the terrorists have won without igniting a single bomb!
I chose to live my life with joy and anticipation. I do not and will not allow fear to rule my life in any way.

 

[Arthur Wellesley]

My two-cents. When you give in to fear, you give up your freedom. The terrorists want nothing more than to restrict freedoms which they do not agree with.

I think we've gone off the edge now and it's time for this thread to be removed.

Exactly! I do not agree with how this discussion is freely going. Mods please censor / delete this thread.

 

[lazyboy97o]

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And spiders.

 

[NonnaT]

@lazyboy97o Funny!

 

[EOD K9]

. I work a lot of public sporting and entertsinment events, I mean a lot. I notice security very easily because most of them will wear their "tactical kakhis" and a 5.11 Polo shirt with the not at all obvious black boots. The Disney guy was in an inconspicuous button down short sleeve very tourist looking shirt, regular pants and sensible shoes.
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I resemble that remark. But when the situation calls for it, I don't dress that way.

 

[mergatroid]

But most people don't want to do either. They live in a fairytale world and sadly...when Disney is attacked.......and it will be one day believe me......that specific fairytale world will be shattered.

What a cheerful post

 

[mergatroid]

Omagh, 1998. Sadly, it took this killing to turn the majority of those still on the fence against the activities of the various factions of the IRA and support the Good Friday Agreement.

They claim there was an order from the IRA for nobody to assassinate Ian Paisley. The reason being he was viewed as one of the IRA's best recruiters

 

[Victor Kelly]

This is still open? Hoorah for the mods to keep it open. Has not gotten out of control yet.

 

[Hakunamatata]

This is still open? Hoorah for the mods to keep it open. Has not gotten out of control yet.

It's been cleaned at least once already.

 

[bhg469]

Team doom and gloom does not support this level of doom and gloom.