What Happened in Paris...can EASILY Happen in Disney World

[SyracuseDisneyFan]

I try not to let the fear win.

 

[copcarguyp71]

My comment is regarding if there may be hidden metal detectors in the park.

I am curious though...at what point do you consider a person carrying a weapon a threat?

If they are carrying for offensive (destructive) and not defensive (protective) reasons....someone simply having a concealed weapon does not indicate nefarious intent.

Although to carry in a place where it is clearly stated that it is not allowed is bad form and I do not condone it in any way shape or form. I was simply answering your rhetorical question.

 

[Retroman40]

Two "rules" to consider - See something - Say something ; and Keep Calm and Carry On. Fear mongering is never the answer.

 

[Ariel Savage]

As others have pointed out, a tragedy like this could literally happen anywhere. It's a troll-like move to post this on here with the intention of just riling people up.

 

[Dad 2 M & M]

I am curious though...at what point do you consider a person carrying a weapon a threat?

Disclaimer - I don't own a gun of any type (hand gun, rifle, shot gun etc..) as I don't need one.

That is the question; when do I consider someone carrying a gun threat? I don't know, but it is a certainty a criminal carrying with the intent to use it in a wrong way/manner is a threat. Someone carrying for their own safety/peace of mind? MAYBE; in the heat of the moment, maybe.....emotion goes up, IQ goes down....

And, I fully support the 2nd amendment, and can't imagine my support ever wavering. If I thought that right was going to be taken away, I would be a FORMER non-owner......

 

[Victor Kelly]

Then how do you know they have them and what they do? And if you do know because you work there, why are you telling people if they're not supposed to know?

Because he doesn't know what he is talking about. Just to add food for though, hidden metal detectors even set on low are a danger to those with pace makers and insulin pumps just to name two devices. Failure to disclose them would open Disney up to legal liability in the event of a death. Which would then make the devices public knowledge.

Disney is plenty safe. Stop the knee jerk reactions and leave that to politicians. If Disney were to go TSA on people, it would turn people off, resulting in massive loss of revenue. It would also show Disney feels unsafe and threatened, which would make people decide not to go because they would believe that there is a threat. And trust me scared parents will not take children into a danger area no matter how dense they could be. Then lets talk international travelers, perceived threat due to massive security, equals no going to Disney.

Disney is safe. I feel safe there. If I didn't I would not go. With a Concealed Weapon Permit, I feel absolutely no need to go there armed. The most valuable and deadly weapon is your brain which many of us use every single day, others not so much. What I see and have seen, I will not reveal. There is defense in depth.

Not to mention, there are plenty of brave souls who, even when unarmed, will run to a fight, not lay down and just die like many do. For this reason I feel safe.

 

[donsullivan]

I think we've gone off the edge now and it's time for this thread to be removed.

 

[thomas998]

Could it happen, yes, is it likely to happen no.

As a general rule terrorist attacks avoid involving children in their attacks, this isn't to say they don't get caught up in these awful events, however locations where children are a guaranteed significant presence are normally avoided because of the reaction that is usually prevoked. As a rule the backlash for incidents where children are significantly affected is harder, more ruthless & far more effective because of the motivation of those involved, therefore anywhere that fits that profile is not a normally a high risk target.

Far more effective are centres of travel, governance, entertainment or social gatherings. Very disruptive, highly populated & effective in causing the greatest amount of individual & collective "panic/nervousness", exactly what has resulted from the heinous attacks in Paris.

Could any theme park be a target, undoubtedly, however in the grand scheme of things is it likely, probably not.

Uh... what terrorist handbook have you been reading? Terrorist avoid children? Pretty sure terrorists don't avoid kids if anything sometimes that is their target because the kids are easier targets and it guarantees them more news coverage.

 

[ChesterKiwi]

I think we've gone off the edge now and it's time for this thread to be removed.

Totally agree. Just a bunch of people in hysterics determined to try to get everyone else in that state.

 

[mergatroid]

I'm surprised that nobody has pointed out that you don't pass security before boarding either the monorail or the ferry when travelling to the Magic Kingdom where you're with hundreds of people in a confined space! The thing is though, whatever you do if somebody is determined enough then they'll probably find a way. And if Disney was 100% safe, then they'd target somewhere else. Let's just be careful but live our lives and enjoy them.

 

[unkadug]

I really do dislike this thread.

I dislike the Spirit threads, so I just try to steer clear of them. I suggest you do the same with this thread.

 

[marni1971]

Could it happen, yes, is it likely to happen no.

As a general rule terrorist attacks avoid involving children in their attacks.

Google IRA and Warrington.

Then remember Disneyland was a potential Bin Laden target.

 

[George]

It can happen anywhere, anyplace, at anytime. It is a price that the free pay the whole world over. We win by getting on with our full, rich, lives and not worrying about it.

 

[George]

Google IRA and Warrington.

Then remember Disneyland was a potential Bin Laden target.

Correct. The purpose of terrorism is to induce terror. There are no rules.

 

[patch553]

Two "rules" to consider - See something - Say something ; and Keep Calm and Carry On. Fear mongering is never the answer.

totally agree

 

[TyrantBoss]

What exactly would you propose doing that would not make it significantly more difficult for cast to work there or for guests to visit?

It's actually not very difficult. Install security checkpoints at the Transportation Center. Everyone must pass through a metal detector and/or be wanded before being allowed to pass beyond the checkpoint. Then they are allowed to Magic Kingdom and Epcot.

Do the same at the other parks (Hollywood Studios and MGM). It won't take that long if they start checking 1 to 2 hours BEFORE the gates open.

Any guest at a Disney property that can take a monorail to the parks must undergo a background check and confirm citizenship of this country or their country, or present their VISA or passport.

Disney can also offer a security pass for members who want to automatically be passed through security. That will entail and additional cost, but that will pay for a very detailed background check to ensure security clearance.

The problem is that you can't have it both ways....
Either a) We attack the terrorist and kill them all and NEVER stop
or b) We change our way of life and implement the security procedures necessary to prevent their terrorist attacks.

But most people don't want to do either. They live in a fairytale world and sadly...when Disney is attacked.......and it will be one day believe me......that specific fairytale world will be shattered.

 

[TyrantBoss]

It's pointless to point out that it can happen at WDW, because it can literally happen anywhere.

Um...this IS a Disney parks board isn't it. So actually it isn't pointless to mention it here.
So I guess terrorist could happen anywhere....so why security at the airports, or stadiums.
Just open your house to anyone. Hell why even have cops? Crime can happen anywhere.....so why try to fight it RIGHT?!

 

[ChesterKiwi]

This is the point at which I unfollow this thread and pretend I never read any of this...

 

[lazyboy97o]

It's actually not very difficult. Install security checkpoints at the Transportation Center. Everyone must pass through a metal detector and/or be wanded before being allowed to pass beyond the checkpoint. Then they are allowed to Magic Kingdom and Epcot.

Do the same at the other parks (Hollywood Studios and MGM). It won't take that long if they start checking 1 to 2 hours BEFORE the gates open.

Any guest at a Disney property that can take a monorail to the parks must undergo a background check and confirm citizenship of this country or their country, or present their VISA or passport.

Disney can also offer a security pass for members who want to automatically be passed through security. That will entail and additional cost, but that will pay for a very detailed background check to ensure security clearance.

The problem is that you can't have it both ways....
Either a) We attack the terrorist and kill them all and NEVER stop
or b) We change our way of life and implement the security procedures necessary to prevent their terrorist attacks.

But most people don't want to do either. They live in a fairytale world and sadly...when Disney is attacked.......and it will be one day believe me......that specific fairytale world will be shattered.

You're checkpoints are now a bottleneck and would make a great target. The parking lots, hotels and Disney Springs also remain unsecured and great potential targets. So, no attacks prevented.

 

[TyrantBoss]

You're checkpoints are now a bottleneck and would make a great target. The parking lots, hotels and Disney Springs also remain unsecured and great potential targets. So, no attacks prevented.

Yet that is not the inside of the park and you limit the number casualties.

You will not be able to ever stop every attack unless you take the fight aggressively to the terrorists with a zero tolerance policy......but by severely reducing the chance of collateral damage you decrease the value of the target in the eyes of the terrorist.