What Happened in Paris...can EASILY Happen in Disney World

[DManRightHere]

I have never heard of hidden metal detectors, so I wonder what good they would do? People often carry metal objects on them that would be detected by a metal detector.

Well, there was a gun found on Dinosaur a couple years ago. I could imagine somewhere having a hidden metal detector to be used by cctv surveillance. Like going through a store doorway maybe..

 

[jakeman]

Well, there was a gun found on Dinosaur a couple years ago. I could imagine somewhere having a hidden metal detector to be used by cctv surveillance. Like going through a store doorway maybe..

Not to belittle the other arguments regarding more security than we realize because I agree, but that gun just kind of fell out of the dudes pocket.

 

[ford91exploder]

I have never heard of hidden metal detectors, so I wonder what good they would do? People often carry metal objects on them that would be detected by a metal detector.

Think of this a metal detector looking for large metallic signatures where they don't belong, Not one turned up so high it triggers on a gum wrapper. Triggering one of these probably gets a plainclothes officer to casually bump into you or follow at a discreet distance.

WRT the gun at Dinosaur it's probably not looking for a small gun like a LC9 or most Glocks it's looking for a bigger chunk of metal like a machine pistol or folding stock rifle both of which can be concealed under clothing. Pistols especially ones designed for concealment are accurate enough for use in a crowded elevator or a small room scenario.

 

[ford91exploder]

There is nothing Disney could implement that would guarantee safety. Even with full search checkpoints, those places just become a mass of people that themselves become a great and easy target.

Yup - that's why defense in depth is the best strategy.

 

[mergatroid]

There gets to a point where going through too much security becomes a pain. I get zero pleasure at the airport taking off my shoes and belt, going through a scanner and having a stranger empty my carefully packed hand luggage out into a pile and then have me pack it again. At the other end I have a retina scan conducted often by a person with the personality of a person whose alarm clock has just gone off waking them from a pleasant dream. I do these things because I have too if I want to visit the USA and even through all these measures there's still no guarantee of safety.

The thought of doing this every time I visit Disney would probably make the experience intolerable and ruin the magic I go to enjoy, hence I wouldn't bother. Should we take precautions like Disney does, of course as safety is important. Should it be like entering a prison with so many precautions that it becomes joyless, probably not.

I've accepted in life that there's only so much you can do to stop the crazies from hurting you if they really want to and have no fear of dying themselves. Take precautions and be careful but once you take too many steps that it ruins the enjoyment, there's no real point in doing it anyway.

 

[EnergyKing]

I'm sure Disney has already thought of this long long long LONG WAAYYYYY LONG before this thread.

 

[alissafalco]

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well, there was a gun found on Dinosaur a couple years ago. I could imagine somewhere having a hidden metal detector to be used by cctv surveillance. Like going through a store doorway maybe..

Hidden metal detectors would be dangerous as they can mess with medical devices. There are also perfectly legitimate reasons for a person to carry metal and plenty of weapons that are not going to set off a metal detector.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Fearmongering.

 

[mergatroid]

Fearmongering.

 

[JohnHangen]

We pretty much have all heard the news by now about that horrible attack in Paris last night.
These were attacked on civilians at a popular night spot. Coordinated attacks in several locations.

So what's to stop this from happening in Walt Disney World?
The short answer: Absolutely Nothing

Have you seen the security at WDW?
- Normally older gentlemen checking the bags of guests as they walk into the park. And it's not a very detailed search.
- And when you are simply carrying in a camera or have no bag...you aren't checked or wanded at all.
- I don't recall any guards carrying firearms
- There are no metal detectors
- There is little to no overarching security during the most crowded times (Parades, Fireworks)

So what is to stop a terrorist (or several) from bringing in a small video camera containing an explosive, and a cell phone as a trigger...buying something from a store...leaving their explosives in several bags around the park during the fireworks display when it is pitch black and everyone is distracted and looking up....and then the terrorists can simply activate the explosives with their cell phones and cause MASS casualties. How many hundreds can they kill? That would be horrible, FAR worse than what happened in Paris.

Hell, there are sites that offer free "Crowd Calendars" to let you know when the park is most likely going to be at the highest capacity. Or you can simply attend a number of times and watch the trends and learn the schedule.

So my question is.....how safe are we at Walt Disney World?
Do they have bomb and explosive detection devices?
They never swab any cameras so how do you know if one if not a bomb?
Do they have heavily armed reaction forces?
What are the evacuation protocols?
.... Have you TRIED getting out of Magic Kingdom in a hurry after the fireworks show? It takes forever. It is nearly impossible. We are like cattle being herded down a narrow canal. One explosive and you have mass chaos and no where to go.

I personally think this is a very serious issue that should be addressed Proactively instead of after something already happens that is devastating to life and safety at the parks.

the terrorists, I'm going to Disney World

 

[ekutchey]

I have never heard of hidden metal detectors, so I wonder what good they would do? People often carry metal objects on them that would be detected by a metal detector.

They are not set up like normal ones with a buzzer or alert for everyone to be aware of if they were everyone would know about that. DW has so many different security measures that we couldn't possibility know them all nor do I want to. The only people who need to know, know and those who don't need to don't know and that is why they are secure measures.

 

[Raineman]

The main reason that these terrorist acts happen is to instill fear. I am sure that WDW does everything they can to ensure security is adequate, but, even if there was any possibility that an attack could happen at WDW, I am not going to let that stop me from going. People need to refuse to live in fear-if you start living in fear, then the people responsible for these attacks have already won. I will not be afraid to go to WDW in a few months-if something were to happen, so be it.

 

[mergatroid]

They are not set up like normal ones with a buzzer or alert for everyone to be aware of if they were everyone would know about that. DW has so many different security measures that we couldn't possibility know them all nor do I want to. The only people who need to know, know and those who don't need to don't know and that is why they are secure measures.

Then how do you know they have them and what they do? And if you do know because you work there, why are you telling people if they're not supposed to know?

 

[JohnHangen]

The main reason that these terrorist acts happen is to instill fear. I am sure that WDW does everything they can to ensure security is adequate, but, even if there was any possibility that an attack could happen at WDW, I am not going to let that stop me from going. People need to refuse to live in fear-if you start living in fear, then the people responsible for these attacks have already won. I will not be afraid to go to WDW in a few months-if something were to happen, so be it.

That nails it. Want to go to a concert? Go to the concert. Want to go to the ballgame? Go to the ballgame. Want to go out to eat? Go out to eat. Want to visit Disney World? Go to Disney World. The minute we stop doing all that due to fear, they've won folks.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They are not set up like normal ones with a buzzer or alert for everyone to be aware of if they were everyone would know about that. DW has so many different security measures that we couldn't possibility know them all nor do I want to. The only people who need to know, know and those who don't need to don't know and that is why they are secure measures.

Or maybe it's better to just accept the realities of the world and not lie to ourselves. YouTube has plenty of videos of people going where they are not permitted without a word from Disney Security. Disney isn't going to stop a direct attack nor is it a realistic goal to try and do so.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

 

[mergatroid]

Hidden metal detectors would be dangerous as they can mess with medical devices. There are also perfectly legitimate reasons for a person to carry metal and plenty of weapons that are not going to set off a metal detector.

Going off on a tangent slightly but at HHN at Universal this year I was asked what my tablets were and what for by a 'security' person. I explained they were Trihexyphenidyl for Dystonia and they failed to recognise the medication or the medical condition and let me in anyway. Couldn't understand why they were asking and was pretty sure they weren't a medically trained person anyway. I also like to think at 46 years old with my wife in tow that I don't look like a typical 'pill head' worthy of interrogation but maybe I do

 

[EnergyKing]

ok maybe that was unclear. I meant I think you can make a positive assumption that Disney has considered a long time ago the possibility of terrorist attacks and have planned/are planning accordingly the best defense/response possible for attacks. for the most visited resort destination in the world, i don't think security stops at the bag checkers.

 

[brb1006]

They have closed DLP for the first time today

It will also remain closed for the next 3 days.