Wed 8th April Magic Kingdom closure (Updated: phase 3 as of 12pm)

[SirGoofy]

So when I travel to Disney how will I be able to tell what phase a certain park is at? Will there be a way to tell from my resort or will I have to actually go to the park to check if it is at a certain phase? Thanks for your help.

When are you going to be there? This is happening this week because of Easter. If your worried about it when your are there, have you resort call the parks, and they will let you know.

You need to get the full story and look at the facts before you come out with things like that. That wait board shot was taken BEFORE the phased closing. After that shot waits increase. Space was at 140, Pirates 70, Jungle Cruise 70

And those are all normal wait times for a crowded time. I've been there during Easter and Christmas before, and I've seen those wait times. I just don't how the crowds and the wait times add up.:shrug:

 

[wdwmagic]

And those are all normal wait times for a crowded time. I've been there during Easter and Christmas before, and I've seen those wait times. I just don't how the crowds and the wait times add up.:shrug:

Attendance and wait times do not have a direct corrolation. For starters, things like the dining plan push people into sit down restaurants. This never happened in the past. You have around 5 daytime parades now, which never happened before. You have characters meet and greets (Judges Tent had over a 2 hour wait!), you have Pixie Hollow (another 2 hour wait). There are many more things now that keep guests out of traditional attraction lines. You also need to factor in that WDW have in the past year been working hard on increasing guest flow. Pirates now almost always loads both sides, this didnt happen before. Splash has the new loading bay that wasnt in place before. As I mentioned before, MK in the last year has set hourly records on almost all the Etickets, and that is an ALL TIME record since the attraction opened.

 

[SirGoofy]

You have characters meet and greets (Judges Tent had over a 2 hour wait!), you have Pixie Hollow (another 2 hour wait).

These are the things that give entertainment delusions of grandeur.:lol:

As I mentioned before, MK in the last year has set hourly records on almost all the Etickets, and that is an ALL TIME record since the attraction opened.

Yea I know that one.

 

[cmiller2]

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Thanks for the help guys...

I'm traveling 12/31/09 to 1/7/10....Since I am arriving on New Year's I am just trying to see if it will be possible for me to get into MK that night. I am going to assume MK will close at some point during the day but will the park re-open in the evening after being closed in the afternoon like yesterday? I understand how busy it is going to be, my only concern is getting in the park before midnight for the fireworks. Thanks for the help.

 

[SirGoofy]

Thanks for the help guys...

I'm traveling 12/31/09 to 1/7/10....Since I am arriving on New Year's I am just trying to see if it will be possible for me to get into MK that night. I am going to assume MK will close at some point during the day but will the park re-open in the evening after being closed in the afternoon like yesterday? I understand how busy it is going to be, my only concern is getting in the park before midnight for the fireworks. Thanks for the help.

Hmmm...I don't know. People usually don't leave once they get there on New Years.

 

[wdwmagic]

Thanks for the help guys...

I'm traveling 12/31/09 to 1/7/10....Since I am arriving on New Year's I am just trying to see if it will be possible for me to get into MK that night. I am going to assume MK will close at some point during the day but will the park re-open in the evening after being closed in the afternoon like yesterday? I understand how busy it is going to be, my only concern is getting in the park before midnight for the fireworks. Thanks for the help.

Yes it does reopen. It's obviously not possible to say for sure, but generally a heck of a lot of people leave because it's too busy, or head out after the first firework show.

 

[Uncle Lupe]

Again you are drawing your own wild and incorrect conclusions. There is no censorship, pure and simple. Nobody here is banned for stating an opinion.

No censorship of ideas but what about words?

________ Van , that looks censored to me. I know a family site, but in that context should it be censored?

Waits for the smite button to be pressed. :lookaroun

 

[wdwmagic]

No censorship of ideas but what about words?

________ Van , that looks censored to me. I know a family site, but in that context should it be censored?

Waits for the smite button to be pressed. :lookaroun

Yep unfortunately due to the type of posters we occasionally get there is word censorship. Its an automated system that does the best it can to keep the site family friendly. Just something we have to live with there. There would be far more complaints if that type of phrasing was allowed to go on the site unchecked.

 

[TURKEY]

Steve,

Even considering the amount of dining and loading rides and parades, it doesn't make sense with the phases being posted and the wait times.


The most I saw the mountains get to were 140. Most of the time they were 90-120, even during the phase closings (today and past days). On past Easters and Christmases the mountains and other parks were at 180+ and never in a phase or alternate parking situation.


It's just hard to comprenhend with being in the parks at times like this in the past with longer waits and seeming less people and as a CM seeing the numbers for the waits.

Maybe the attraction times aren't being posted correctly and being underreported rather than over like during slow periods of the year.

 

[SirGoofy]

Maybe the attraction times aren't being posted correctly and being underreported rather than over like during slow periods of the year.

That's not how it works though. What ever the FLIC says, goes.

And besides, there's no way they are going to purposefully going to under report wait times. That would be a nightmare. Guests would constantly be complaining that they waited much longer than they were told.

 

[wdwmagic]

The most I saw the mountains get to were 140. Most of the time they were 90-120, even during the phase closings (today and past days). On past Easters and Christmases the mountains and other parks were at 180+ and never in a phase or alternate parking situation.

It's just hard to comprenhend with being in the parks at times like this in the past with longer waits and seeming less people and as a CM seeing the numbers for the waits.

Maybe the attraction times aren't being posted correctly and being underreported rather than over like during slow periods of the year.

MK have been working over the last year on attraction throughput, and they have set records this year for guests per hour on most of the Etickets. I cant really offer anything else other than that, along with the shows, parades, and dining.

 

[peter11435]

That's not how it works though. What ever the FLIC says, goes.

Not exactly. Managers and coordinators can and do override FLIK all the time. We also now have the DOCC (Data Operations and Communications Center) monitoring wait times for many attractions. They too can and do manually change wait times. Since the creation of the DOCC, posted wait times for many attractions are now far more accurate than ever before.

It’s also important to point out that in recent years many attractions have received improvements that increase efficiency and OHRC (Operational Hourly Ride Capacity) therefore reducing wait times.

 

[SirGoofy]

Not exactly. Managers and coordinators can and do override FLIK all the time. We also now have the DOCC (Data Operations and Communications Center) monitoring wait times for many attractions. They too can and do manually change wait times. Since the creation of the DOCC, posted wait times for many attractions are now far more accurate than ever before.

It’s also important to point out that in recent years many attractions have received improvements that increase efficiency and OHRC (Operational Hourly Ride Capacity) therefore reducing wait times.

D'oh. I always forget about the secret tunnel people.:lol:

But still, wait times are accurate.

 

[peter11435]

But still, wait times are accurate.

You're right. Wait times are accurate... now. However prior to DOCC and FLIK wait times were often over posted. Thus now between having more accurately reported wait times and increased efficiency on many attractions we see lower wait times during these phase closings than in the past.

 

[SirGoofy]

You're right. Wait times are accurate... now. However prior to DOCC and FLIK wait times were often over posted. Thus now between having more accurately reported wait times and increased efficiency on many attractions we see lower wait times during these phase closings than in the past.

I always feel like big brother is watching me with DOCC.:lookaroun

 

[WDW1974]

There you go again. Just because you were there during some closures in the past, you KNOW for a fact that it was busier then than now. Ever thought you might be wrong?

Yeah, Steve.

If you're going to tell me that WDW is busier now than it was at many times in the past, including the freaking Milennium then I'm going to tell you that you're flat out wrong. And if people are telling you so then i question their motivation much like the people who purposely started the 'Phil Holmes is toast' rumor recently.

It's very busy in Orlando now (SWO and UNI as well as WDW) ... but I can guarantee you if Disney were setting any major records it would be reflected in more than simple brief closures of one park AND, more importantly, Disney would be touting it to legit media.

Despite what you think, Disney are getting very close to and in some cases hitting attendance records this week. I can also tell you what they are. Seasonal, daily and weekly, for the MK.

Maybe I'm dimwitted (i'm not but play along) but what do you mean by the above? Are you stating records are being set or met? Do you mean ONLY MK is doing so? What is a seasonal record? And when you say 'daily' do you mean for say the date of April 8th (something I could possibly buy) or all-time any day (something I most assuredly would not)? Same thing for weekly? And how can that even be possible when the week is still going on?

Sorry, but you're not being clear about things and that makes it doubly difficult for me to even ascertain whether I agree, disagree or don't have a clue about what you're saying.

Do you know something else thats really interesting. MK has hit ALL TIME ridership records on a lot of the Etickets in this last year. And juyst to repeat, that is ALL TIME, since the attraction opened.

I know they have had some good operational numbers on attraction throughput. But I don't get what that has to do with anything really ...

I'm sure you will say that you were there in whatever date, and you KNOW it was busier then, but I'm reporting facts from people who know the numbers, not those who are guessing.

I may make reasoned 'guesses' but when I talk about specifics or records, I have them.

Again, if you've got specifics I am sure everyone here would love to hear them. But if you're just going to spout hyperbole about WDW setting all sorts of records it really becomes meaningless.

~Maybe Kevin Yee knows?~

 

[WDW1974]

You need to get the full story and look at the facts before you come out with things like that. That wait board shot was taken BEFORE the phased closing. After that shot waits increase. Space was at 140, Pirates 70, Jungle Cruise 70

I get that.

The point was those waits were typical of pretty much anytime at MK.

Even what you list above only suggests a busy day, not a crazy, wall to wall people, record-setting one.

Today you had MK at Phase 2 ... maybe that's accurate. I just wonder why the parking lot had so many empty rows today.

~They all flew~

 

[WDW1974]

You respect his views and opinions because he follows you around like a little puppy and goes along with a lot of your distorted views of WDW. No wonder a lot of your information about the current state of WDW is flat out wrong if you take a wealth of knowledge from a Seasonal Cast Member who isnt even working in the park.

C'mon Steve. Don't you feel that maybe the above is a bit over the line ... for both me and SirGoofy?

You're telling me why I respect another poster and then you compare him to a puppy. If I wanted some little warm and cuddly furball I'd get a real puppy ... besides, I don't want Goofy licking my face.

OK ... joking aside, I still feel it was a cheap shot at both of us.

I'd love to hear more about what you feel are my 'distorted views' of WDW because most people don't seem to think my views are so.

I don't believe it's cool at all to put Goofy down because he is a lowly seasonal CM. He comes off as articulate, intelligent and passionate about doing things the right way ... the Disney Way. I don't get why you'd think those are bad character traits.

I have never gotten one iota of information from him beyond whatever he posts. My information comes from a wide range of people/sources as well as my own experience and knowledge.

I'm not getting into a public __________________ contest with you because I know I can't win since it's your site, but if you put me in the room with five Disney Legends, five Disney Imagineers and five Disney P&R execs of your choice (not mine) i'll bet you that three would know me (and respect me and my views).

So, no, I don't rely on Goof for anything here other than intelligent discussion, which he seems very capable of.

We don't censor here on WDWMAGIC, and where has there been talk of banning?

That wasn't brought up by me ... that was brought up by other posters. They apparently feel that they can't debate/argue with you here for fear they'll be merfcized.

~Merf Was Magical Tonight At AnotherDisneyPlace.com~

 

[WDW1974]

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I wouldn't call out anyone unless they did likewise to me. I treat people as I am treated. But I believe our young JC skipper was concerned about him being told to take a hike if he questioned Disney management here ... that to me is censorship pure and simple and would cause me to walk away. I may not believe that WDW is the most magical it has ever been, but I would never want someone gone just because they held that viewpoint.

Public forum or not if you have people afraid to state their opinions, you have a problem. I'd hate if that were the case here because I do enjoy bantering with folks about Disney ... but there are other sites I do that on too.

Again you are drawing your own wild and incorrect conclusions. There is no censorship, pure and simple. Nobody here is banned for stating an opinion.

I wasn't drawing a conclusion at all. Read what I wrote. I was simply stating that the poster was concerned that he'd be banned if he questioned management (really debated you over it). Plain and simple.

You say that isn't so. And that's the way (I believe) it should be.

Cool ...

~Let's Move on!~

 

[WDW1974]

Attendance and wait times do not have a direct corrolation.

Ok ... shouldn't be answering this at 3 a.m. ... but seriously, how can you say that?

Of course they do. If only 10,000 people are in MK, there will be no waits for anything unless they have only one CM working each attraction ... and if there are 60,000 people in the MK, there will be long waits no matter how many workers are staffing and how many ride vehicles are being used.

For starters, things like the dining plan push people into sit down restaurants. This never happened in the past.

Again. Where do you come up with that? People have always packed WDW table serve locations. And the busier the parks, the busier the restaurants. It wasn't like 10 years ago no one ate at Cindy's or LTT or CP because there wasn't a DDP (although dining was included with some packages from the earliest days of WDW).

You have around 5 daytime parades now, which never happened before.

Five daytime parades? Really? Are you talking about TDL or MK? Or all the WDW parks at once?

Because last I checked WDW had one daytime parade. That's it. One. Are they showing it twice now? Are you counting the street party, which is a moving meet and greet as a parade? (Disney doesn't because it isn't one).

You have characters meet and greets (Judges Tent had over a 2 hour wait!), you have Pixie Hollow (another 2 hour wait).

There have been character meet and greets for decades. Again, I'm not sure where you are going with this.

There are many more things now that keep guests out of traditional attraction lines.

I'll disagree firmly and say there are less things. Less entertainment (only one foamhead show at castle, none at Diamond Horseshoe, none at Galaxy Palace since it doesn't exist, fewer entertainers in the park like the steeldrummers in Adventureland or the stuntmen in Frontierland) ... less shops (almost all unique ones closed) ... and attractions gone with no replacements (subs, skyway, keelboats, canoes, swanboats, Disney Story, Penny Arcade, Cinema etc ...)

You also need to factor in that WDW have in the past year been working hard on increasing guest flow. Pirates now almost always loads both sides, this didnt happen before. Splash has the new loading bay that wasnt in place before. As I mentioned before, MK in the last year has set hourly records on almost all the Etickets, and that is an ALL TIME record since the attraction opened.

Great. They are moving people more efficiently (except when the rides go 101). Still, you can't get away from one fact ...

~Busy is busy~