WDWFreak53, car discussion

garyhoov

Trophy Husband
This car is so sexy in some views... but kinda frankenstein in others

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/lexus-lf-a-convertible/

Looks like a Z front end... ferrari shoulders... but with a DB-9 butt

The looks have never really worked for me, but I thought: "Hey, if they can bring Ferrari performance for $90,000, I don't care about the looks.

From the latest reports though it will be closer to $200,000.

If that price is anywhere near accurate, I think they're going to have a hard time selling them . . . even with Ferrari performance.
 

WDWFREAK53

Well-Known Member
Found here:

http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4256

Pre-production Camaro found parked next to a new Challenger.

The Camaro looks to be lower and shorter than the Challenger...(this is good news on the "weight" front)

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flynnibus

Premium Member
I figure the camero's target is to be comparable and competitive to a mustang...

the challenger is targeting the guys wanting to relive the 70s kings of the roads. No need to make it smaller.
 

garyhoov

Trophy Husband
Gary...

Have you heard anything on these? I'm very interested.

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Yep. I'm on an e-mail list for my local dealer (closest one is roughly 45 minutes from here, so not real close) and I was planning to try to test-drive one. They had an event last year, but I missed that one and never heard about another one. So I haven't even seen one in person yet, but I have been reading up on them.

Reasonably priced ($15,000) and decent performance. Much better performance than nearly any car out there in terms of acceleration, but not as good as the faster true motorcycles.

The engine is basically the same one used by Aprilia (Rotax - BRP makes the Aprilia engine and also the new Buell engine as well as a couple for BMW), but it must be detuned some because the horsepower numbers (106) I remember hearing were a good bit lower than what Aprilia quotes. I suspect that Aprilia owns the engine rights and would only let BRP use it for the Can-Am if they promised to de-tune it (Aprilia is developing their own engine, so the rights might revert back to BRP Rotax in the not-too-distant future).

Compared to most cars, the Spyder has great performance for a great price.

. . . the problem is, for $15,000, there are also a lot of great motorcycles that would blow the Spyder away, and with the Spyder, you'd still need to wear a helmet (in Jersey at least) and you'd still be exposed to the elements the same as on a motorcycle.

But I'd also say this is the most reasonable, well-sorted and real of the various three-wheelers that have been popping up.

. . . so while I've toyed with the idea of looking more into the Spyder, I've never really gotten past the idea: "Why haul an extra wheel around with you?":shrug:
 

WDWFREAK53

Well-Known Member
Yep. I'm on an e-mail list for my local dealer (closest one is roughly 45 minutes from here, so not real close) and I was planning to try to test-drive one. They had an event last year, but I missed that one and never heard about another one. So I haven't even seen one in person yet, but I have been reading up on them.

Reasonably priced ($15,000) and decent performance. Much better performance than nearly any car out there in terms of acceleration, but not as good as the faster true motorcycles.

The engine is basically the same one used by Aprilia (Rotax - BRP makes the Aprilia engine and also the new Buell engine as well as a couple for BMW), but it must be detuned some because the horsepower numbers (106) I remember hearing were a good bit lower than what Aprilia quotes. I suspect that Aprilia owns the engine rights and would only let BRP use it for the Can-Am if they promised to de-tune it (Aprilia is developing their own engine, so the rights might revert back to BRP Rotax in the not-too-distant future).

Compared to most cars, the Spyder has great performance for a great price.

. . . the problem is, for $15,000, there are also a lot of great motorcycles that would blow the Spyder away, and with the Spyder, you'd still need to wear a helmet (in Jersey at least) and you'd still be exposed to the elements the same as on a motorcycle.

But I'd also say this is the most reasonable, well-sorted and real of the various three-wheelers that have been popping up.

. . . so while I've toyed with the idea of looking more into the Spyder, I've never really gotten past the idea: "Why haul an extra wheel around with you?":shrug:

See, for me it seems perfect. I love motorcycles but something has always terrified me about them. I've driven my neighbor's Ninja before and was fine on it...but the thought of someone swerving in front of me or slamming the brakes on has always scared the crapola out of me. This seems like it gives you the open airness that a motorcycle gives you, it's the same seating (unlike the T-Rex), and, aside from the non-leaning aspect, it has the same steering (ala handlebar vs. steering wheel).
 

garyhoov

Trophy Husband
See, for me it seems perfect. I love motorcycles but something has always terrified me about them. I've driven my neighbor's Ninja before and was fine on it...but the thought of someone swerving in front of me or slamming the brakes on has always scared the crapola out of me. This seems like it gives you the open airness that a motorcycle gives you, it's the same seating (unlike the T-Rex), and, aside from the non-leaning aspect, it has the same steering (ala handlebar vs. steering wheel).

Makes sense. If motorcycles didn't exist, this would be the coolest thing going. Makes a Lotus Exige seem like a pig.

. . . just be careful of that slippery slope. Once you get one of those, it won't be long before you'll be wanting one of these:

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WDWFREAK53

Well-Known Member
Makes sense. If motorcycles didn't exist, this would be the coolest thing going. Makes a Lotus Exige seem like a pig.

. . . just be careful of that slippery slope. Once you get one of those, it won't be long before you'll be wanting one of these:

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Ducati should make one :D

Or...like the 4-door Porsche...is having reverse on a Ducati blasphemous? :lol:
 

garyhoov

Trophy Husband
Ducati should make one :D

Or...like the 4-door Porsche...is having reverse on a Ducati blasphemous? :lol:

:lol:



Well not Ducati, but a patent for this was applied for by Harley a while back:

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I asked a couple people who might know if something like that was in the works, and I got "no comments" from both of them.

Interesting in that it would have been easy enough to say: "No" if there really wasn't anything to it.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
why in the world would you want to drive a snowmobile on the road?

The trikes look bad enough... if you got one of these your Z car history would be striken from the records as we could never associate with your type :)

You don't sit relaxed like a cruiser... you don't get the benefits of sitting forward like on a sports bike. You get the worst of both worlds! :)

Sorry - but those things look horrible to me.

On a better note.. Challengers have been delivered. Jay Leno had his at work.
 

WDWFREAK53

Well-Known Member
why in the world would you want to drive a snowmobile on the road?

The trikes look bad enough... if you got one of these your Z car history would be striken from the records as we could never associate with your type :)

You don't sit relaxed like a cruiser... you don't get the benefits of sitting forward like on a sports bike. You get the worst of both worlds! :)

Sorry - but those things look horrible to me.

On a better note.. Challengers have been delivered. Jay Leno had his at work.

(To be honest, I'd really prefer a T-Rex or Ariel Atom but that's a tad expensive for just a "toy.") $40,000 can't be justified...but $15,000 could be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzhRaXKolkc&feature=related
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
(To be honest, I'd really prefer a T-Rex or Ariel Atom but that's a tad expensive for just a "toy.") $40,000 can't be justified...but $15,000 could be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzhRaXKolkc&feature=related

An atom would be cool.. if you wandered out on the streets people would think 'wow, is that a race car??'

in the snowmobile they'd wonder if it's a motorcycle for handicapped people!

40k isn't a ton for a toy car. Just keep a normal car.. that's what I did :)
 

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