WDW Reopening Estimates

[Higginbotham587]

My gosh so much of this is false. The 911 Act limits liability for the attacks to the extent of insurance coverage and required all suits to be filed in federal court. The liability limits applied to state law suits and claims to the compensation fund.

In Re September 11 Litigation, 280 F. Supp. 2d 279 (S.D.N.Y. 2003)

In Re September 11 Litigation, 280 F. Supp. 2d 279 (S.D.N.Y. 2003) case opinion from the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York

law.justia.com

Wow..... so you mean me and the other lawyers working on tons of liability cases are doing it all wrong?!??

I should have you file Amicus briefs in my pending lawsuits.

And no..... Congress has extremely little authority to shield against state lawsuits. And no, it's not so easy to give retroactive immunity..

In fact, the airlines paid hundreds of millions in lawsuits over 9/11..

Airline defendants to pay $95 million in 9/11 settlement

Insurers for American Airlines, United Airlines and other aviation defendants have agreed to pay $95 million to settle claims that security lapses led planes to be hijacked in the Sept. 11 attacks.…

www.chicagotribune.com

Cantor Fitzgerald Settles 9/11 Suit Against American Airlines for $135 Million (Published 2013)

The Wall Street firm’s settlement is another step toward the end of more than a decade of litigation that followed the terrorism attacks on Sept. 11.

www.nytimes.com

Last 9/11 Family Settles Suit Over Death of Mark Bavis at Trade Center

Ten years after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, deceased victims' families and the injured have been compensated over $7 billion. Out of 2,977 victims who lost their lives as a result of the attack, the last survivor's family has settled its claims with the airline and a...

abcnews.go.com

Congress did NOT give the airlines immunity from 9/11 -- Congress had no authority to do so. What Congress did, was Congress created a compensation fund. Congress then told victims: You can get money from the fund, if you waive your right to sue the airlines.
Most of the victim families went to the fund, but many chose to go with direct lawsuits instead.

 

[Higginbotham587]

Read my total of 3 posts and fewer than 500 words on this subject. I never said Congress gave immunity to the airlines, I said Congress could do so and cited the analogous act of limiting airline liability. I would be delighted to see your constitutional analysis of how Congress lacks the power to preempt state tort remedies using its Commerce Clause authority. Or how the Ex Post Facto clause should be reinterpreted to apply to civil legislation, a suggestion Justice Thomas made in the 1990s I think.

Congress did NOT give the airlines immunity from 9/11 -- Congress had no authority to do so. What Congress did, was Congress created a compensation fund. Congress then told victims: You can get money from the fund, if you waive your right to sue the airlines.
Most of the victim families went to the fund, but many chose to go with direct lawsuits instead.

 

[SaveDinosaur]

New WDSP Cars ride?

Yes, the one that is replacing the Tram Tour!

 

[marni1971]

Yes, the one that is replacing the Tram Tour!

Ah. It’s not a Cars ride. It’s the tram tour with a mild overlay and new station. And part new routing.

 

[Epcotbob]

Here is a pretty good analysis of when WDW might open from the Disney Tourist Blog after they stopped accepting bookings in June.

They have not yet cancelled all of the current June bookings, just not accepting new ones. He views any opening in June as “optimistic” and July more practical.

Disney World Delays Bookings Another Month

Walt Disney World has likely pushed back the reopening of resort hotels for at least another month, with new reservations now only officially available for July 1, 2020 and later. In this post, we'll share

www.disneytouristblog.com

 

[HauntedPirate]

Ah. It’s not a Cars ride. It’s the tram tour with a mild overlay and new station. And part new routing.

That is what they are doing with the Tram tour? Sad... How much do they want for the Horizons props?

 

[havoc315]

Read my total of 3 posts and fewer than 500 words on this subject. I never said Congress gave immunity to the airlines, I said Congress could do so and cited the analogous act of limiting airline liability. I would be delighted to see your constitutional analysis of how Congress lacks the power to preempt state tort remedies using its Commerce Clause authority. Or how the Ex Post Facto clause should be reinterpreted to apply to civil legislation, a suggestion Justice Thomas made in the 1990s I think.

Constitutional Ex post facto doesn't apply in this situation. No, the limits on airline liability are not analogous -- Because they did not give immunity. What does apply is simple 14th amendment due process. If someone files a lawsuit, that is actually an asset they own. You can't just take it away without due process. You can't just pass a law cancelling the lawsuit. Sure, you can impose limits on liability (tort caps are constantly being debated). You can regulate the procedures for claims. But you can't just give blanket immunity, it would be offensive to due process.

And no, you can't preempt state tort remedies with the commerce clause which only applies to INTERSTATE commerce. Airlines fall under Federal jurisdiction.
If someone slips and falls on my front step.. and they live in my state, and they sue me in my home state's court.... There is no interstate commerce involved, the Federal government has no ability to preempt the state tort remedies.

 

[havoc315]

Here is a pretty good analysis of when WDW might open from the Disney Tourist Blog after they stopped accepting bookings in June.

They have not yet cancelled all of the current June bookings, just not accepting new ones. He views any opening in June as “optimistic” and July more practical.

Disney World Delays Bookings Another Month

Walt Disney World has likely pushed back the reopening of resort hotels for at least another month, with new reservations now only officially available for July 1, 2020 and later. In this post, we'll share

www.disneytouristblog.com

They have even started to survey guests about, "what if not all hotels are open"..

Seems Disney is keeping their option open to partially re-open in June at some point. They could just open select hotels with the reservations already in place. Give people in closed hotels the option of switching over.
It's pretty clear that there will not be a *full* reopening any time in June. But we might see things starting to partially re-open by late June.

You will get a sense of any re-opening about a month before -- Workers will start to be called back, modifications will start being made to the parks to accommodate social distancing, etc. There were rumors of "testing procedures" at Shanghai several weeks before the re-opening there.

So right now, the *most optimistic* view is a partial re-opening by mid to late June.

 

[havoc315]

Why do people think throwing baseless facts make it true? As of 2019, there were 328.2M people in the US. As of May 12, 2020, the CDC has 1.3M TOTAL cases in the US. Only 0.3% of people have been confirmed to have had. That number is undoubtedly wrong due the number of people actually tested. If you look at the CDC graphic, all the highly effected areas follow your major media markets due to proximity. Why is that? Because people want to do whatever they want to do. Only go out for essentials and wash your hands!

Anti-body testing and other studies are pretty consistent with the numbers I cited. The vast majority of Americans have not been infected yet, but it is MUCH higher than the confirmed 0.3% rate. At best, we have been identifying 1 in 10 infections nationwide.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Here is a pretty good analysis of when WDW might open from the Disney Tourist Blog after they stopped accepting bookings in June.

They have not yet cancelled all of the current June bookings, just not accepting new ones. He views any opening in June as “optimistic” and July more practical.

Disney World Delays Bookings Another Month

Walt Disney World has likely pushed back the reopening of resort hotels for at least another month, with new reservations now only officially available for July 1, 2020 and later. In this post, we'll share

www.disneytouristblog.com

Optimistic and practical? Doubtful.

 

[monothingie]

Two things of interest.

1. CNBC is reporting that Disney stands to loose at minimum $1B for every month the parks remain closed.
2. Senator Rick Scott in an interview on FBN says virus liability protection for corporations is nearing agreement and we could see something in the very near term.

 

[Epcotbob]

They have even started to survey guests about, "what if not all hotels are open"..

Seems Disney is keeping their option open to partially re-open in June at some point. They could just open select hotels with the reservations already in place. Give people in closed hotels the option of switching over.
It's pretty clear that there will not be a *full* reopening any time in June. But we might see things starting to partially re-open by late June.

You will get a sense of any re-opening about a month before -- Workers will start to be called back, modifications will start being made to the parks to accommodate social distancing, etc. There were rumors of "testing procedures" at Shanghai several weeks before the re-opening there.

So right now, the *most optimistic* view is a partial re-opening by mid to late June.

I'm still holding out for phased openings in June, I think they *want* to.....but are waiting to see what happens with other Florida re-openings.

Optimistic and practical? Doubtful.

Hopelessly optimistic and Not really practical? Perhaps.....

 

[marni1971]

Hopelessly optimistic

Indeed.

 

[mhaftman7]

Anti-body testing and other studies are pretty consistent with the numbers I cited. The vast majority of Americans have not been infected yet, but it is MUCH higher than the confirmed 0.3% rate. At best, we have been identifying 1 in 10 infections nationwide.

How can you cite numbers that don’t exist? The CDC is lowballing the number of cases? The evidence you’ve provided may work in advertising but not with me, or a lot of other people.

 

[Epcotbob]

Indeed.

Oh well, at least I can say "I hope I'm right" ?

 

[havoc315]

How can you cite numbers that don’t exist? The CDC is lowballing the number of cases? The evidence you’ve provided may work in advertising but not with me, or a lot of other people.

huh?? The numbers do exist. There have been an increasing number of anti-body studies.

 

[Higginbotham587]

Please explain how the purely intrastate possession of marijuana can be criminalized by the federal government. Raich says the commerce clause allows that. That goes back to Wickard v Fillburn. And you still haven’t explained how Title II of the civil rights act could possibly be constitutional if your fetishization of the word “interstate” was so important. Justice Thomas holds your views, the rest of the Supreme Court does not. Read Lopez v United States and Raich.

It scares me that there are lawyers out there that do not know the basics.

Constitutional Ex post facto doesn't apply in this situation. No, the limits on airline liability are not analogous -- Because they did not give immunity. What does apply is simple 14th amendment due process. If someone files a lawsuit, that is actually an asset they own. You can't just take it away without due process. You can't just pass a law cancelling the lawsuit. Sure, you can impose limits on liability (tort caps are constantly being debated). You can regulate the procedures for claims. But you can't just give blanket immunity, it would be offensive to due process.

And no, you can't preempt state tort remedies with the commerce clause which only applies to INTERSTATE commerce. Airlines fall under Federal jurisdiction.
If someone slips and falls on my front step.. and they live in my state, and they sue me in my home state's court.... There is no interstate commerce involved, the Federal government has no ability to preempt the state tort remedies.

 

[jpeden]

According to the Hollywood Reporter Disney owned springs properties such as World of Disney and Disney owned restaurants will open on May 27th:

Disney World: Masks, Plexiglass Dividers and Temperature Checks Set for Partial Reopening

The first wave of Walt Disney World employees will return to work on Saturday to get a portion of the Florida resort ready for a partial reopening on May 20.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[havoc315]

Please explain how the purely intrastate possession of marijuana can be criminalized by the federal government. Raich says the commerce clause allows that. That goes back to Wickard v Fillburn. And you still haven’t explained how Title II of the civil rights act could possibly be constitutional if your fetishization of the word “interstate” was so important. Justice Thomas holds your views, the rest of the Supreme Court does not. Read Lopez v United States and Raich.

It scares me that there are lawyers out there that do not know the basics.

You’re comparing apples and oranges.

The commerce clause has been read very broadly indeed. But never so broadly as to allow the Federal government to regulate slip and fall lawsuits on someone’s front step.
In fact, the majority of the Court wouldn’t even uphold the ACA based on the commerce clause.
Indeed you should read Lopez — wherein they Court held the commerce clause did NOT allow the Federal government to create gun free school zones.

 

[Higginbotham587]

You are cracking me up. Rick Scott is on tv saying congress is about to agree to immunize business for COVID and you are talking about slip and falls. By the way they could eliminate state slip and fall liability on exactly the aggregation theory of Wickard and Raich. No question not even close.

The same rationale they will use to immunize businesses from state law COVID liability should they choose to do so.

You’re comparing apples and oranges.

The commerce clause has been read very broadly indeed. But never so broadly as to allow the Federal government to regulate slip and fall lawsuits on someone’s front step.
In fact, the majority of the Court wouldn’t even uphold the ACA based on the commerce clause.
Indeed you should read Lopez — wherein they Court held the commerce clause did NOT allow the Federal government to create gun free school zones.