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WDW Monorails have reopened
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jt04
Well-Known Member
You are exploiting the situation to make a ridiculous point. That is
Unconscionable!
WDW Monorail
Well-Known Member
That's completely insane!
Did Disney put up a plaque for the maintenance CM who died working on the Sky Way or for the woman who fell off of the platform at Primeval Whirl? No.
Phonedave
Well-Known Member
Not sure how
a) opening the monrails back up is all about the money
b) waiting to open them until after a memorial is placed (if indeed it would be placed) is somhow honoring his memory more.
Quite honestly I would be suprised to see a public memorial. It is a vacation desitination. Having a memorial for someone who died - and died in an accident involving guests, is a bit hard to comprehend. I mean we don't have a marker in Fantasyland where that CM fell to his death from the Skyway. Thats sort of a morbid thing to have in a "fun" park.
Not to diminsh the death of the pilot, but I just don't see a permanent memorial being placed in public view.
-dave
Timmay
Well-Known Member
Uh...you do know that Disney was going to have the line back up and operational as soon it was determined it was safe to do so. And that decision was made not just by Disney, but by OSHA as well. I am not sure how any person with common sense would find fault with Disney for getting the rail running again for the guests as fast as was deemed safe.
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krankenstein
Well-Known Member
Disney is a business, they need the monorail up and running as soon as possible. It's a fact of life. :shrug:
ILOVEDISNEY
Active Member
Who said anything about the monorail team? I was referring to corporate Disney. The lad has yet to be buried and Disney is acting like nothing happened. Do you honestly think Disney will retire the monorail? A plaque is the least they could do to honor his memory. but it will never happen. Just my 2 cents.
SirGoofy
Member
And like everyone else said...this has nothing to do with money. People would have gotten to the Magic Kingdom/Epcot no matter what.
And a memorial in "The Happiest Place on Earth" is a bit morbid if you ask me.
I fail to see the logic in your argument.
NewfieFan
Well-Known Member
What the heck are you saying? Tell Disney to come to a grinding halt b/c there was an accident (a horrible and tragic accident but an accident non the less)!?!
Corporate Disney (or whatever you are talking about) is doing their job and that is to move forward and get the parks up and running. In no way is this disrespectful to the individual or incident!!!
mpaul32001
Well-Known Member
Maybe they'll give him a tile in the concrete. Not too noticible, but if you knew it was there, you could go and look upon it.
Tom
Beta Return
Excellent solution. No need for a plaque or memorial or statue. If Disney put up memorials every time someone died on property, it would ruin the magic (especially for children). A little memorial service, maybe a moment of silence, some banners in the Cast Lounges - sure, that's appropriate. But plastering signs of death in the magical world of Disney isn't good karma.
The monorail keeps the guests moving, which keeps them happy, which keeps business going. Disney is a business. If they kept running 30 extra buses and all ferries all the time until they buried this poor lad, then yes, it would hurt the bottom line. And yes, Disney is a business and it IS about the money. Ask any of their thousands of stockholders. Do the states close interstates whenever there is a fatal wreck?
I'm in construction and I have never seen them stop construction on a building when someone died (except when OSHA forces them to). It's sad. It's tragic. Families and friends grieve. And in this case, I'm sure there are many others in the company who feel terrible about this (especially Pink's driver) - but life must go on (I say this with my deepest sympathy for the Purple driver who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time).
And for those of you who didn't have time to read the 50-pages of dialogue in the other thread (I don't blame you), or who have been mis-led by the numerous error-filled news reports, here's a summary of what happened, based on the input of current and past monorail CMs:
Pink had passed through TTC Concourse on EPCOT loop and had passed the switch outside TTC Concourse platform and was preparing to back up onto the Express loop to head to the shop for the night.
There was miscommunication (nobody knows what, exactly) and Pink backed up, assuming he was headed onto the spur. Instead, however, he was backing up onto the main track he just came from at 15mph, and subsequently into the "front" engine cab of Purple, which was either sitting at the station or was pulling into the station from EPCOT.
Purple driver was, unfortunately, killled by the Pink train. There were minimal guests onboard Purple, but none were killed or injured. Pink driver was supposedly not injured but went to hospital because of emotional stress.
More than likely: Nobody fell asleep. Nobody had a heart attack. It was about 2am and they were presumably putting trains away while moving the last few 4th of July guests back to their cars.
And from what all CM reports say, Pink driver was probably within protocol when he was holding down the MAPO (Fail Safe) Override button, which is reportedly required in order to back onto a spur and be moving that close to another train.
I'm guessing this method has been modified since Sunday. They've supposedly added a double-check system (which they should have always had, IMO) to make sure a switch has been thrown before giving a train clearance. I'm predicting big fines because of that faulty procedure, but that's just a guess.
God rest the soul of Purple's driver, but moreso, I pray for the health and wellbeing of Pink's driver since he has to live with this for the rest of his life. I don't wish that on anyone.
DisneyDellsDude
New Member
^Thanks for clearing everything up, as I was only on page 20 of the 60+ page thread that popped up yesterday!
I'm glad the monorail is back up and running. They system seems very safe from everything I know. Taking the busses or driving your own car I'm sure is much, much more dangerous than the monorails.
I'm glad the monorail is back up and running. They system seems very safe from everything I know. Taking the busses or driving your own car I'm sure is much, much more dangerous than the monorails.
JWG
Well-Known Member
True, but more people won't fly who drive than the other way around and flying is also safer than driving.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Good news! Does this mean they know what happened?
DisneyDellsDude
New Member
OSHA is most likely satisfied that it wasn't mechanical failure...meaning it was procedural. It would have handed operations back to Disney upon a satisfactory implementation of new procedures to prevent a recurrence of this type of accident.
In other words, OSHA is satisfied that the system was operating the way it should operate...and most likely suggested modifications to prevent this type of accident from happening again. In this case, Disney installed switches to alert the position of the switch beam to satisfy the possible OSHA recommendations.
Cfnews13.com is reporting that Disney says the crash early Sunday morning that killed a cast member, happened during a track switch while they were trying to remove one of the trains off the Epcot line.
They also state that a Magic Kingdom memo states that the practice of allowing guests to ride in the front cabin with the pilot has been suspended -- “Out of respect for the monorail pilot during this difficult time, we are not allowing guests to ride in the front cabin.”
http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/7/6/what_caused_deadly_monorail_crash.html
They also state that a Magic Kingdom memo states that the practice of allowing guests to ride in the front cabin with the pilot has been suspended -- “Out of respect for the monorail pilot during this difficult time, we are not allowing guests to ride in the front cabin.”
http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/7/6/what_caused_deadly_monorail_crash.html
majortom1981
Active Member
hmm
From what board has said earlier. It probably is as simple as disney requiring central to always be infront of the board. Simple policy stuff.
I am glad they are running since I am going in august it would have been a pain with all the extra people that would have had to be on the buses.
Part of me wishes they were down longer so they can do some short upgrades like cameras or something.
I hope they atleast do something for that driver who was killed.
From what board has said earlier. It probably is as simple as disney requiring central to always be infront of the board. Simple policy stuff.
I am glad they are running since I am going in august it would have been a pain with all the extra people that would have had to be on the buses.
Part of me wishes they were down longer so they can do some short upgrades like cameras or something.
I hope they atleast do something for that driver who was killed.