WDW literally falling apart

James Alucobond

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You're assuming an awful lot...
It’s not assuming a lot to suggest that they would properly disconnect electrical under normal circumstances. I think it’s anyone’s guess as to whether this panel actually fell and was somehow relatively unscathed or if it was just left in such a precarious position after whatever accident caused this that they felt it a good idea to bypass standard procedure, but it’s not how you’d do things normally.
 

JIMINYCR

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I’d accept it’s a maintenance failure issue if Disney was aware of a crack or fault in the building facade and put off repairs. Or they saw a crack and thought it wasn’t bad enough to give it attention until it was worsening. I can’t see Disney knowingly let a building part rot with guests walking underneath in danger of it falling.
The question I have is how attentive are CMs and maintenance crew to the buildings to see if there are areas needing attention. Is there a daily walk through? Until I can be told that was the case then I cant fault them for something they may not have been aware of. Fortunate no one was hurt.
 

lazyboy97o

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It’s not assuming a lot to suggest that they would properly disconnect electrical under normal circumstances. I think it’s anyone’s guess as to whether this panel actually fell and was somehow relatively unscathed or if it was just left in such a precarious position after whatever accident caused this that they felt it a good idea to bypass standard procedure, but it’s not how you’d do things normally.
Looking on a larger screen, there does not appear to be an electrical box on the north (left) side where the damage occurred, just a damaged opening. The same spot on the south side is obscured by the lift but you can see some hints of a junction box and the wires are significantly longer, sticking out from the building just as you would expect. On the north side the wires are within the wall cavity, where the junction box should be located. More evidence that there was a failure and not just selective demolition.
 

UNCgolf

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Wasn’t this building just behind scrims and refurbished a few years ago?

Yep. Looked it up and it was closed from March through the end of August in 2019, so just 3 years ago. I'm not sure if they did anything to the exterior, but being closed for 6 months should be enough time to work on everything.

If I was forced to make a random guess as to what happened, I'd say the water stains indicate a leak that let rainwater in, which compromised part of whatever was holding the facade in place. The ECV collision (if that's what happened) then caused a significant enough jolt to actually knock something loose because of the water damage.

But that's speculation based on extremely limited information that could be wildly inaccurate; it's basically a shot in the dark.
 

lazyboy97o

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I’d accept it’s a maintenance failure issue if Disney was aware of a crack or fault in the building facade and put off repairs. Or they saw a crack and thought it wasn’t bad enough to give it attention until it was worsening. I can’t see Disney knowingly let a building part rot with guests walking underneath in danger of it falling.
The question I have is how attentive are CMs and maintenance crew to the buildings to see if there are areas needing attention. Is there a daily walk through? Until I can be told that was the case then I cant fault them for something they may not have been aware of. Fortunate no one was hurt.
Given the type of panels in place, any sort of deterioration behind the surface likely would not have been apparent as visible cracking in the panels themselves. That thought would not excuse maintenance as sealants should be regularly inspected and repaired.
 

LittleBuford

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I have to assume that if the building had really significant issues with leaking, etc., they would not have reopened it so quickly. Whatever people may think of Disney maintenance, they don’t want a lawsuit on their hands.
 

LittleBuford

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It’s not assuming a lot to suggest that they would properly disconnect electrical under normal circumstances. I think it’s anyone’s guess as to whether this panel actually fell and was somehow relatively unscathed or if it was just left in such a precarious position after whatever accident caused this that they felt it a good idea to bypass standard procedure, but it’s not how you’d do things normally.
No-one is saying that the panel was removed according to some routine or planned procedure; clearly, that’s not the case, and something must have gone wrong to cause such an intervention to occur. The assumption lies in attributing whatever it was that happened to poor maintenance. For that we have no evidence.
 

lazyboy97o

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I have to assume that if the building had really significant issues with leaking, etc., they would not have reopened it so quickly. Whatever people may think of Disney maintenance, they don’t want a lawsuit on their hands.
This would have been caused by localized water intrusion that isn’t even part of the primary building envelope. Part of the reason for doing additional selective demolition at a point of failure is to assess the extent of concealed damage. The building being open is not at all evidence that there was not a maintenance issue.
 

LittleBuford

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This would have been caused by localized water intrusion that isn’t even part of the primary building envelope. Part of the reason for doing additional selective demolition at a point of failure is to assess the extent of concealed damage. The building being open is not at all evidence that there was not a maintenance issue.
That’s a fair point. Thank you for the correction.
 

Sir_Cliff

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Maybe, but the vast majority of their customer base likely has no idea this even happened, so there may be no reason to bother drawing any attention to it.
Yes, I doubt Disney will see any need to say anything as few people know this happened and, as far as I know, no-one was injured. Maybe I am a little too generous after having dealt with moving into a newly-renovated old building in the past year with many issues that have had to be resolved, but I don't know that I would rush to the conclusion here that Disney's maintenance standards are lax anymore than something was missed in routine inspections.
 
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Goofyernmost

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I had this thought also. Disney is usually on top of painting facades, and refurb work on facades.

Would this have even been caught during their general maintenance? Or is this a case of not knowing it’s unstable until…
I don't know but I would think that if it were loose someone would have noticed it, but possibly not but there is no way to really tell some of that stuff until it happens. Life is full of those little adventures. For example, I took very good care of my car and everything was fine. I drove it from NC to Vermont and halfway back the head gaskets gave out. No warning, it just happened. There are many things especially in a building that are hidden from view and therefore not noticed until something happens. It is a shame but such is life.
I think it’s in their interest to explain if the issue wasn’t to do with poor maintenance, if only to shut down speculation to the contrary.
Why is it any of our business? We don't really know the reason and we do not need to know. What would we do about it if we did know? Sitting in our homes reading this on our computers, iPads or iPhones exactly how does it affect us. If you have a problem in your home do you make it a point to explain it to your neighbors? Are we curious? Sure, but that doesn't mean we are owed an explanation. And as stated earlier, we are a very small cross section of Disney followers.
 
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mikejs78

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This would have been caused by localized water intrusion that isn’t even part of the primary building envelope. Part of the reason for doing additional selective demolition at a point of failure is to assess the extent of concealed damage. The building being open is not at all evidence that there was not a maintenance issue.
Your assuming a maintenance issue because of the way the panel was removed. That's a huge leap.


I know someone who had a storefront business that had a car crash into it. The car crash didn't just damage the surface, but had ripple effects in most of the wall that was hit. The whole exterior wall had to be replaced, not just the area that was hit.

Yes, an ECV isn't a car. But those things can pack a punch, and it's not unreasonable to think that a crash into the facade may have damaged parts of the facade above ground.

It isn't obvious that this is a maintenance issue. It isn't obvious that it isn't a maintenance issue. In reality, everyone here is just speculating and has no knowledge of what actually happened.

But of course, taking a measured approach wouldn't fit the narrative.
 

Cmdr_Crimson

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"Our parks are perfectly safe and maintain to the highest order.."
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JIMINYCR

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Given the type of panels in place, any sort of deterioration behind the surface likely would not have been apparent as visible cracking in the panels themselves. That thought would not excuse maintenance as sealants should be regularly inspected and repaired.
Well that’s the thing. If the damage or deterioration was behind the panels and nothing was apparently wrong then there’s no maintenance to be done. You wouldn’t seal something just to seal it for no reason. That’s why my question was how and what process is there in place to inspect? Even an outward inspection wouldn’t reveal something hidden behind the panels. Unless they were opened up to view what’s behind You can’t tell it needs fixing.
 

LittleBuford

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And losing the benefit of the doubt when you strap people into roller coasters and shoot them off at high rates of speed isn't a good thing.
But does anyone here (yourself included) actually think that Disney is unsafe? That’s the problem with the framing of this thread: it tries to paint a very rare occurrence as just another example of how Disney has supposedly gone to the dogs. But as I noted above, a crumbling structure (if that’s what even happened in this instance) is very different from a lightbulb that hasn’t been replaced or an animatronic that hasn’t been fixed. Why would any of us be participating in this forum, much less actually going to WDW, if we really believed its structures and attractions to be poorly maintained from a safety perspective? Why are so many in this thread acting as if a doorway spontaneously falling down is somehow characteristic of Disney’s current state as we actually experience it? I wish the discussion could proceed in a less extreme manner.
 

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