danlb_2000
Premium Member
There is an earlier picture from the site which cannot be named that shows the frame in this state but with no barrier or construction personal.
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WDW literally falling apart
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Casper Gutman
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My complete guess based on available info - ecv hits wall in morning rush, several sections of wall become visibly loose/unsafe with some smaller sections possibly falling off entirely, cms respond to obviously unsafe condition by rapidly removing clearly unsafe sections as stopgap until construction can get there.
LittleBuford
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Perhaps I’m not allowed to share this screenshot (in which case moderators, please delete), but here’s a picture of the earlier stage referred to by @James Alucobond:Original damage: https://blogmickey.com/2022/09/port...-facade-damaged-at-disneys-hollywood-studios/
After BVCC tore down more facade: https://blogmickey.com/2022/09/keys...en-as-crews-work-on-repairing-damaged-facade/
ToTBellHop
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That first picture isn’t the original damage. They had already removed the second light by then.Original damage: https://blogmickey.com/2022/09/port...-facade-damaged-at-disneys-hollywood-studios/
After BVCC tore down more facade: https://blogmickey.com/2022/09/keys...en-as-crews-work-on-repairing-damaged-facade/
Here is earlier, which the 2nd light still up and the first leaned against the building:
I stand corrected. Perhaps I should say that the original damage + removed light
danlb_2000
Premium Member
I doubt a non-construction CM would remove an unsafe section when they could simply route people away from the door.
LittleBuford
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No, that’s no what I’m saying. Look at the photo I just posted. You can see that two large panels from the left half of the door are leaning against the structure undamaged, having almost certainly been taken down rather than collapsing. We don’t know how much of the door originally fell or was damaged; all of the available photos seem to show the door after maintenance crews had already responded to whatever happened.
peter11435
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The light and the piece it is attached to are clearly undamaged so they too must have been removed after the original damage. If that piece with the light attached had fallen off there would be signs of damage.
lazyboy97o
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Except that’s not how a wall sconce is attached and removed. They’re not part of the panel which is why there are photos of the south sconce removed from the wall. They’re evidence of some sort of failure far more than they are of just removal.
LittleBuford
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I didn’t say they were just removed for the same of it, but in response to some sort of issue or incident.
lazyboy97o
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And if you were removing them in response to something, you’d take the light off first and then the panel. Like they did on the south side. You wouldn’t pull on the panel and cut the electrical wires. The light and panel being together like that is indicative of a problem.
LittleBuford
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I don’t understand what you’re taking issue with. My point was only that the two panels in that picture clearly didn’t just collapse, since they are both undamaged. Unless you disagree with that specific point, you’re just arguing for the sake of it.
lazyboy97o
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Your point that the panels didn’t collapse is what I am taking issue with. Those photos absolutely suggest some sort of failure of the panels.
LittleBuford
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I agree with that; the panels would not have been removed otherwise. That’s why I repeatedly referred to some sort of issue/incident. What remains to be determined is the cause of the failure.
lazyboy97o
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Those panels being like that are indicative of some sort of underlying adhesion issue (maintenance issue), not just impact damage.
UNCgolf
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It looks like there are water stains where the facade was removed, so I assume water was leaking in there -- likely rainwater where something wasn't sealed properly. That could have caused some kind of structural issue.
That does seem like the kind of thing that should have been caught at some point during inspections. Water leaking in will almost always cause an eventual problem, even if it wasn't responsible for this particular issue.
That does seem like the kind of thing that should have been caught at some point during inspections. Water leaking in will almost always cause an eventual problem, even if it wasn't responsible for this particular issue.
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LittleBuford
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We’re going round in circles. My point was that half the door didn’t simply fall to the ground, which is what some here seemed to believe happened.
I’m not sure how an underlying adhesion issue can be attributed to poor maintenance if the issue was previously hidden [ETA: unless, as @UNCgolf suggested, there was some sort of leak that went unaddressed].
Disney Analyst
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I had this thought also. Disney is usually on top of painting facades, and refurb work on facades.
Would this have even been caught during their general maintenance? Or is this a case of not knowing it’s unstable until…
DznyRktekt
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I was taught the three most detrimental elements to the health of a building are "Moisture, Mischief, and Movement".