WDW Laying off Cast Members

MythBuster

Active Member
It's much easier and cheaper to lay off someone who doesn't have a union affiliation than someone who does.

Just to clarify a little bit, the ones getting laid off now. Their job classifications are not represented by a union, not individual non-union members. Any type of management isn't represented by a union and the others which are considered O & T (Office and Technical), like secretaries, payroll clerks, personnel, human resources, etc. they are getting laid off now.

The cast members that are in a collective bargaining agreement like the Service Trades Council or Craft Maintenance Council aren't protected by lay offs either, but they will be laid off according to seniority.
 

markjohns1

Member
Usually in these situations its because they weren't quite working hard enough...layoffs aren't arbitrary...they are in part based on performance...

I'm not trying to bash these poor folks, I have been in their shoes...and I have also realized that maybe, just maybe, there were things I could have done to avoid the chopping block...

That said, it's never good when folks are losing jobs more often than getting them or keeping them...
Some of it has to do with how critical the position you have is for the day-to-day operations to run smoothly. A lot of times in layoffs you'll find a job title is dissolved and the duties are spread around to others. If you happen to be in that job, no matter how good you are at it, it likely leads to a layoff.
 

WDsMouse

New Member
Some of it has to do with how critical the position you have is for the day-to-day operations to run smoothly. A lot of times in layoffs you'll find a job title is dissolved and the duties are spread around to others. If you happen to be in that job, no matter how good you are at it, it likely leads to a layoff.


Yep, that's how it was for me this week. Poof, my position has been eliminated. But they told me that it had nothing to do with performance. Stupid economy.
 

Grim Grinner

New Member
In 2001, I was laid-off from a job that I had held for 10 years. My performance had been outstanding and every review that I had was glowingly positive.

I was told in not so many words that everyone above a certainly salary saw the axe. Another individual who had started the same day as me also got cut.

I believe that the reasons are completely arbitrary and can even involve preferential treatment.

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Uncle Lupe

Well-Known Member
It's a great big beautiful tomorrow. Where you don't know if you'll have the job you had today! It's a great big beautiful tomorrow, and unemployment is just a day away! Makes you want to punch that CoP guy in the face!

I've not been in this situation yet. If our sales were down last year my hrs for this year get cut based on last year. So no matter how busy you are in the present no extra help is provided.

Is Disney run on the same ideas? Current hrs and staffing based on last years attendance and revenue or do they factor in current bookings also?
 

resjr1

New Member
CAST MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT LAID OFF THEY ARE FIRED!
WHAT ARE YOU CELEBRATING PLEASE !!!!!!!!
HEY MR BOB AND ALL OTHERS WHO GOT HUGE BONUS WHAT ABOUT YOUR FRONTLINE CAST WHO MAKE DISNEY DISNEY !!!!!!!
DISNEY CLAIMS THEY ARE NOT BUSY BUT IN THE PAST 3 WEEKS THEY ARE EXTENDING PARK HOURS AT MK ALMOST EVERY DAY AND THE COUNTS ARE UP AN AVERAGE OF 9 % OF WHAT DISNEY FIGURED WAS COMING AND ON WEEKENDS EVEN HIGHER WHO ARE THEY TRY TO BULL
GAM WHO ARE LEFT ARE BEING TOLD LOOK FOR 6 DAY WORK WEEKS AND SO ARE SOME WORK LOCATIONS SO WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND WHO IS NOT:veryconfu:veryconfu:veryconfu:veryconfu:hammer::hammer::hammer::shrug::shrug::shrug:
 

MythBuster

Active Member
Here is the latest update from the Orlando Sentinel.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-bk-disney-world-layoffs-032620090,0,3479231.story

Hundreds lose jobs as Disney World layoffs accelerate

Jason Garcia | Sentinel Staff Writer 11:58 AM EDT, March 26, 2009 Walt Disney World has stepped up layoffs this week, as the company prepares to close out its fiscal second quarter at the end of this month.

Disney, which is Central Florida's largest employer with about 62,000 "cast members," refused to say Thursday how many jobs it has eliminated. But one person familiar with some details of the cuts said he was given an estimate of 450.

Employees said the cuts, which predominantly target salaried workers, have occurred across the resort's back-office functions, including entertainment, merchandise, finance, transportation, training, emergency management and theme-park operations.

"It's property-wide," said Donna-Lynne Dalton, business agent for the Teamsters Local 385 union, which represents characters, laundry workers, parking attendants and ranch hands. She noted, however, that the job cuts have not affected unionized employees.

I was told that they are going to be walking people out through Friday," she said.

One former employee, who said he was laid off Wednesday after more than 10 years at Disney World, said he was personally familiar with about two-dozen others who lost their jobs. Another worker laid off this week said he personally knew about 20 others whose jobs were eliminated.

"We're not talking about one or two people. We're talking about 30 or 40 people in some areas," one of the laid-off employees said. Both spoke on the condition they not be identified, for fear of losing their severance pay.

Disney announced in February that it would begin slashing jobs as part of a corporate restructuring in which it is combining functions between Disney World and Disneyland in Anaheim, Calif.

"We think these changes are essential to maintaining our leadership position in family tourism, and they reflect today's economic realities," Disney spokesman Mike Griffin said Thursday.

The job cuts follow voluntary buyouts offered to more than 600 executives across its domestic parks. Disney said approximately 50 people accepted the buyouts.

The layoffs and buyouts are part of deep cost cuts imposed across the Walt Disney Co., as the Burbank, Calif., media-and-entertainment giant suffers through the worst recession in decades. Company profits fell by 32 percent during the first quarter, which ended Dec. 27.

Disney's theme parks are particularly vulnerable to downturns in consumer spending. The company has attempted to keep attendance afloat with deep discounts that are eroding profit margins.

Among those who have already departed or are scheduled to leave by the end of the month: Disney Cruise Line President Tom McAlpin, top chef and restaurant planner Dieter Hannig, and veteran spokesman Bill Warren.

The company has said it is trying to target cost cuts at its theme parks so that they do not hurt guests' experience. But one laid-off employee said the back-office cuts have been so deep that it will affect the employees who deal directly with guests.

"The support from backstage to cast members affects that guest experience," he said. "They affect the cast member, the cast member's attitude, the cast member's ability to do their job."

Disney World has been laying off workers since last month. But former employees say the cuts accelerated this week, and have been so widespread that one former employee described it as "a massacre."

The cuts could be timed to coincide with the end of the Disney Co.'s fiscal second quarter, which concludes this month. Disney will report its second-quarter earnings May 5.
 

muteki

Well-Known Member
Just recently I went through the unemployment game, and it can be devastating not only monetarily but emotionally as well. What made it worse was I was only at the company 6 months, and it took me a year and a half out of college to find that job. Stupid me for choosing a highly competitive, increasingly off-shored career (engineering, electrical)

I was out of work for 5 months before finding my current spot. But its a smaller company, in a much more stable industry (power utilities as opposed to cell phones) so it all worked out. I think thats how you have to look at it, don't wonder why it happened, only that it did for a reason and that is because there is a better spot for you somewhere else.
 

disneydata

Well-Known Member
Another one of my leaders just got fired with at least 10 more I know of, and they're not done yet.

This is being called the Pearl Harbor of WDW ... they're just sweeping through and firing left and right.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Just wondering if there's anyone here who'd like to attempt to spin in this in some kind of positive way for TDO, guests and the cast that remains.

~What Will YOU Celebrate? Unemployment~
 

DisneyJoe

Well-Known Member
......Disney, which is Central Florida's largest employer with about 62,000 "cast members," refused to say Thursday how many jobs it has eliminated. But one person familiar with some details of the cuts said he was given an estimate of 450............

The job cuts follow voluntary buyouts offered to more than 600 executives across its domestic parks. Disney said approximately 50 people accepted the buyouts.

I am not unsympathetic to those being laid off, I was once laid off myself back in 2001, but weren't these layoffs expected since the announcement in February?

1 - they offered buyouts to 600
2 - 50 accepted the buyouts, leaving 550....
3 - today's estimate is 450....

We don't know how many were let go in Anaheim, or do we?

Should more people have accepted the (more than likely) higher buyout package?

Sorry if I seem purely logical, but thats my nature - I do feel sorry for those who lost their jobs.

-Joe
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Just wondering if there's anyone here who'd like to attempt to spin in this in some kind of positive way for TDO, guests and the cast that remains.

~What Will YOU Celebrate? Unemployment~
While short term, there doesn't seem to be very many positives; we can only hope that this restructing will provide a better, more efficent, product down the line.

While job cuts for individuals can be devistating, for the company as a whole they can be a good thing if done methodically. I don't know if this is the case here.

I'm not celebrating any of these cut jobs, but when you work in an industry that is dependent almost soley on discretionary spending and then the economy tanks, this really can't come as a surprise.
 

hrcollectibles

Active Member
CAST MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT LAID OFF THEY ARE FIRED!
WHAT ARE YOU CELEBRATING PLEASE !!!!!!!!
HEY MR BOB AND ALL OTHERS WHO GOT HUGE BONUS WHAT ABOUT YOUR FRONTLINE CAST WHO MAKE DISNEY DISNEY !!!!!!!
DISNEY CLAIMS THEY ARE NOT BUSY BUT IN THE PAST 3 WEEKS THEY ARE EXTENDING PARK HOURS AT MK ALMOST EVERY DAY AND THE COUNTS ARE UP AN AVERAGE OF 9 % OF WHAT DISNEY FIGURED WAS COMING AND ON WEEKENDS EVEN HIGHER WHO ARE THEY TRY TO BULL
GAM WHO ARE LEFT ARE BEING TOLD LOOK FOR 6 DAY WORK WEEKS AND SO ARE SOME WORK LOCATIONS SO WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND WHO IS NOT:veryconfu:veryconfu:veryconfu:veryconfu:hammer::hammer::hammer::shrug::shrug::shrug:

Brick Tamland: I don't know what we're yelling about.
Brian Fantana: You're with us, Ron, what do you think?
Ron Burgundy: [shouting] She... ____... It's terrible. She has beautiful eyes, and her hair smells like cinnamon.
Brick Tamland: [shouts] Loud noises.

Even though they are extending hours and such Perhaps these lay offs are happening is due to the 4th quarter losses (Reported to be 32%). Lets remember this is all about profits.. Maybe in a few months when they review the first quarter they will rehire those that were let go.
 

bugsbunny

Well-Known Member
Corporate politics are disgusting and those that follow the company line are equally disgusting. Having worked as a senior manager in a national corporation for 10+ years, I would never sit there and just be told by my higher ups that I should put a smile on my face and deflect rumors. NEVER!! If someone asks if there are layoff rumors, you can ceratainly tell them to prepare for the worst rather than tell them "Everything is great! If you need me, you will find me shoulders deep in my boss's rear!"

People are HUMAN BEINGS. They have spouses, kids, pets, hobbies, lives to live, and most importantly: FEELINGS. And what is worse is when you slugged it out in the trenches with these people everyday, got promoted, and now are told to lie to their faces about "problems" within the company??? FORGET IT!.

One of the most important things you can ever have with your rank and file is TRUST. If your underlings don't trust you, don't EVER expect them to be motivated or think they will go above and beyond.

And somebody said that companies RARELY ever let someone go simply becuase they make more money than an equally qualified manager/employee. Puhleeeeze! It's all about the bottom line and ONLY when your last name is the same as an executive are you EVER passed over for lay offs or "parting ways".

I make well in to the 6 figures but I will never forget where I came from. I'd take a hard working ditch digger over a corner office VP anyday. It would seem Disney is too interested pampering the higher ups rather than looking at the long term. They are going to burn out their existing lower level manager and to make matters worse, take higher ups that are probably far removed from day-to-day activities and get them muddling up the real work.

I hope the day-to-day CMs get some much needed relief and I can only this restructuring plan goes right in the toilet so they can see they let go the wrong people.
 

LAPVLB

New Member
Most recently I've heard, no more Cast Service Managers, at least for all of MK East.

EDIT: No more CSMs. Period. The ones for my area were relocated to other roles within the company, and only one was laid off.
 
CAST MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT LAID OFF THEY ARE FIRED!
WHAT ARE YOU CELEBRATING PLEASE !!!!!!!!
HEY MR BOB AND ALL OTHERS WHO GOT HUGE BONUS WHAT ABOUT YOUR FRONTLINE CAST WHO MAKE DISNEY DISNEY !!!!!!!
DISNEY CLAIMS THEY ARE NOT BUSY BUT IN THE PAST 3 WEEKS THEY ARE EXTENDING PARK HOURS AT MK ALMOST EVERY DAY AND THE COUNTS ARE UP AN AVERAGE OF 9 % OF WHAT DISNEY FIGURED WAS COMING AND ON WEEKENDS EVEN HIGHER WHO ARE THEY TRY TO BULL
GAM WHO ARE LEFT ARE BEING TOLD LOOK FOR 6 DAY WORK WEEKS AND SO ARE SOME WORK LOCATIONS SO WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND WHO IS NOT:veryconfu:veryconfu:veryconfu:veryconfu:hammer::hammer::hammer::shrug::shrug::shrug:

ummm...what?

And stop yelling...:lookaroun
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
While short term, there doesn't seem to be very many positives; we can only hope that this restructing will provide a better, more efficent, product down the line.

While job cuts for individuals can be devistating, for the company as a whole they can be a good thing if done methodically. I don't know if this is the case here.

I'm not celebrating any of these cut jobs, but when you work in an industry that is dependent almost soley on discretionary spending and then the economy tanks, this really can't come as a surprise.

These cuts are being made one reason ... to prepare Wall Street for FQ2 '09 results that will show drastic drops due to all the discounting needed to fill 30,000 rooms/timeshares.

This will be Bob's answer with analysts. That Disney is making the 'necessary moves' to deal with this terrible economy while keeping the quality people expect (the fact they can say this without bursting out laughing shows a talent for lying that I'll never have).

It doesn't matter what Bob does. Just something. And if that causes great pain to thousands of people (not just CMs, but spouses, children etc ...) that just is the way the world works.

The spinning is sickening.

But it's not just Disney, IBM announced thousands of layoffs today too.

I just have one question for all the people who defend management of these companies or the way our economy has been allowed to run without controls ... where do all the millions of people who are jobless go to work?

Are they hiring on Neptune? Uranus perhaps?

~What Will YOU Celebrate? Food Stamps!~
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
These cuts are being made one reason ... to prepare Wall Street for FQ2 '09 results that will show drastic drops due to all the discounting needed to fill 30,000 rooms/timeshares.

This will be Bob's answer with analysts. That Disney is making the 'necessary moves' to deal with this terrible economy while keeping the quality people expect (the fact they can say this without bursting out laughing shows a talent for lying that I'll never have).

It doesn't matter what Bob does. Just something. And if that causes great pain to thousands of people (not just CMs, but spouses, children etc ...) that just is the way the world works.

The spinning is sickening.

But it's not just Disney, IBM announced thousands of layoffs today too.

I just have one question for all the people who defend management of these companies or the way our economy has been allowed to run without controls ... where do all the millions of people who are jobless go to work?

Are they hiring on Neptune? Uranus perhaps?

~What Will YOU Celebrate? Food Stamps!~


I know people who survived th depression. Almost all of them learned to be more self-reliant and became stonger. And if that didn't complete their maturing, WWII did the rest. If people spent half the energy the do complaining (in good and bad times) preparing for economic downturns nobody would have every recession turn into a trauma. Plan ahead, plan ahead, plan ahead, especially in fat times because they never last.

So please stop going on about how incapable people are because if there is one thing we can learn from history is that people are stronger, more resourceful and capable than even they know. As long as they don't let the negative people drag them down.:brick:

~Befriend a WWII Vet, they could teach you a lot.........sonny~
 

alecshawn

New Member
I know people who survived th depression. Almost all of them learned to be more self-reliant and became stonger. And if that didn't complete their maturing, WWII did the rest. If people spent half the energy the do complaining (in good and bad times) preparing for economic downturns nobody would have every recession turn into a trauma. Plan ahead, plan ahead, plan ahead, especially in fat times because they never last.

So please stop going on about how incapable people are because if there is one thing we can learn from history is that people are stronger, more resourceful and capable than even they know. As long as they don't let the negative people drag them down.:brick:

~Befriend a WWII Vet, they could teach you a lot.........sonny~
110% correct and well stated.
The whining alot of folks do is also nausiating to me. During this particular "downturn" folks have had a whine fest. :snore: it gets old.
 

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