WDW IT Layoffs 1/30/2015

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
Like others have mentioned I too have witnessed this IT outsourcing, or insourcing, first hand. The company hires an outside consultancy to "manage" their IT and the consultancy (often based in another country) simply replaces US workers with their own workers brought in on H1-B visas. The company, the politicians, the business round table, and of course the Chamber of Commerce will all sing the same "we can't hire qualified local candidates" song which is simply and completely a lie. In the vast majority of cases the imported workers are far less skilled. The corporation likes this for two main reasons, the first and most obvious is they pay a lot less, the second and more insidious reason is they can treat the H1-B workers more or less as slaves because if they lose the job they can't stay in the US so the company can work them overtime without pay, not give them benefits, and get away with it. Needless to say if they even mention the "u" word they are out the door in an instant. This is not the fault of the H1-B visa holders, it isn't even the fault of the corporations, they are simply playing within the rules set up by the money hungry politicians we elect. You will often hear these same politicians parrot the "they have to try to hire US workers first" line, as a company owner who was approached many times by the insourcing consultancies I can tell you that is 100% lie, they don't have to do anything, sign anything, or affirm anything.

Having said all of that, I have gone to Disney multiple times a year since 1977. Usually to WDW several times a year, DLR once or twice a year, and TDR every couple of years but since this happened I have stopped going. I love Disney's product, think it is the superior product as far as theme parks are concerned, and I realize they have the right to run their business in any way they see fit. I also have the right to spend my money at Uni or someplace else. Every trip to WDW was at least 3500-6000 dollars (I usually brought friends or family) and while I know it doesn't that pawltry sum doesn't matter to their accountants if the rest of you who think it is wrong stopped going and discouraged your friends and family from going it might eventually get the message across that when you are highly profitable you don't need to take every penny off the table at the expense of long time employees.


well thanks for clearing up some extra room in the park for us that still go.

do you think they won't or don't do anything like this at Uni (as you mentioned as something you could spend your money now)

how about that iPhone or Android device you may have? think it was built and supported by American workers?
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
as an IT guy got a fortune 300 company... I can tell you this happens everywhere... not just Disney...they just get all the bad publicity. How do we know the people or person they let go wouldn't have been let go anyways for their performance?

When you basically fire your entire IT staff and you are a high profile company like Disney which likes to tout how great a company they are to work for well you get blowback. The various letter visa programs have been abused for years. i.e. they are supposed to be used when one CANNOT find ANY qualified workers at ANY price point NOT I want to hire six figure talent for $25-30,000 and treat them as indentured servants.

Disney probably could have gotten away with this if they had pursued a group by group strategy but instead like PG&E in CA they replaced qualified workers with far cheaper and less qualified workers en masse. The gotcha is the workers needed to 'train' their replacements.

Disney kicked over an anthill this one unfortunately is full of fire ants and the rest of corporate america will not forgive them anytime soon.

The three letter visa programs were going to blow up sometime but it took Disney to focus the american public on the situation.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
As a software engineer, I can tell you I will never go work for this organization because who knows when they may pull the rug out from under me.

I'd hate to be a Disney tech recruiter right now...

That's the beauty of this situation they have a company doing their IT from Asia Disney basically contracted out their IT to this firm so Disney does not need to worry about recruiting tech workers.
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
When you basically fire your entire IT staff and you are a high profile company like Disney which likes to tout how great a company they are to work for well you get blowback. The various letter visa programs have been abused for years. i.e. they are supposed to be used when one CANNOT find ANY qualified workers at ANY price point NOT I want to hire six figure talent for $25-30,000 and treat them as indentured servants.

Disney probably could have gotten away with this if they had pursued a group by group strategy but instead like PG&E in CA they replaced qualified workers with far cheaper and less qualified workers en masse. The gotcha is the workers needed to 'train' their replacements.

Disney kicked over an anthill this one unfortunately is full of fire ants and the rest of corporate america will not forgive them anytime soon.

The three letter visa programs were going to blow up sometime but it took Disney to focus the american public on the situation.

or they could have been like the company I work for and hire an IT division WITHIN THE COMPANY over in India...then downsize those making more in the US. it happens everywhere...
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
that's exactly how I feel too... ANY IT job ANYWHERE could be the in the same boat at any time... Disney gets more press because it's Disney. If Dollar General's IT Dept. did this I bet it wouldn't be all over the news...

There is always a 'tipping point' and I think Disney may have hit it.

As for REAL savings perhaps outsource the executive suite pay their non-US replacements a couple hundred thousand and no benefits. That would really improve the bottom line.
 

MichRX7

Well-Known Member
that's exactly how I feel too... ANY IT job ANYWHERE could be the in the same boat at any time... Disney gets more press because it's Disney. If Dollar General's IT Dept. did this I bet it wouldn't be all over the news...

Well, they would now that it is a story... And it will only continue to get bigger as the light is shown on this illegal practice.
 

TP2000

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Creathir

Well-Known Member
You really think this can't happen at almost any company you happen to be working at?

Actually the company I am employed at (Fortune 500) did this very thing about 3 years ago.

Worst mistake ever. The talent of course was subpar and the problems are still quite numerous. HCL (the contracted company) regularly makes a mess of everything and the amount of knowledge which walked out the door (even with the 90 day learning period) was staggering.

Not all companies do this. I know many which do not. I also know companies are FINALLY learning this is a bad idea. Our company is just starting to figure it out and reverse course, but it's a slow process.

As I said before, I will never go work for a company which has done this to its employees. Just because many do does not mean all do. Companies that do this to their workers obviously do not care anything about them. Sad, but true.
 

Donald Razorduck

Well-Known Member
Ask and you shall receive...

Donald Trump has just issued a statement demanding that Disney rehire the fired American CM's that Disney replaced with cheap H1B Visa immigrants. http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ign-labor-calls-rubio-silicon-valleys-puppet/

Donald Trump - "I am calling TODAY on Disney to hire back every one of the workers they replaced,..."

Disney has served him up a softball, let's see how many times he knocks the cover off of it, shaming Disney in the process.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
Worst mistake ever. The talent of course was subpar and the problems are still quite numerous. HCL (the contracted company) regularly makes a mess of everything and the amount of knowledge which walked out the door (even with the 90 day learning period) was staggering.
HCL's technical talent is pyramidal; lots of fresh faces with little experience and willing to work cheap, with very few experienced team members at the top. Even HCL's experienced team members have only about a decade of real work experience, which would put them on the low end of experience in many First World companies.

Essentially, they win business by under bidding the competition through cheap, inexperienced labor.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
technically it's not illegal... therein lies the problem (and why so many do it to benefit the bottom line and shareholders)

Actually it IS Illegal the H1B program is ONLY supposed to be used if you cannot find a US Citizen or Green card holder at ANY price.

The usual way around the program is one writes a job description saying the developer needs 20 years of $RANDOM_TECHNOLOGY which in reality the $RANDOM_TECHNOLOGY has been around for 5 years or less and that's how one gets around the 'certification' process.

Honest US based applicants will not put down they have 20 years of experience in a 5 year old technology but the SE Asia based body shops and their clones will have entire pools of people with falsified credentials.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
HCL's technical talent is pyramidal; lots of fresh faces with little experience and willing to work cheap, with very few experienced team members at the top. Even HCL's experienced team members have only about a decade of real work experience, which would put them on the low end of experience in many First World companies.

Essentially, they win business by under bidding the competition through cheap, inexperienced labor.

Yup their great advantage is they are CHEAP, But the iron law of economics holds you get what you pay for.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Actually the company I am employed at (Fortune 500) did this very thing about 3 years ago.

Worst mistake ever. The talent of course was subpar and the problems are still quite numerous. HCL (the contracted company) regularly makes a mess of everything and the amount of knowledge which walked out the door (even with the 90 day learning period) was staggering.

Not all companies do this. I know many which do not. I also know companies are FINALLY learning this is a bad idea. Our company is just starting to figure it out and reverse course, but it's a slow process.

As I said before, I will never go work for a company which has done this to its employees. Just because many do does not mean all do. Companies that do this to their workers obviously do not care anything about them. Sad, but true.

Yeah, not all companies do this, and I might be a pessimist, but I think it's very rare to find a company that truly puts their employees ahead of their bottom line. Yes, some companies are better then others, and I am lucky to be working for one that is on the better side, but nobody should ever be surprised when their company does something that is not in the best interest of their employees.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Yeah, not all companies do this, and I might be a pessimist, but I think it's very rare to find a company that truly puts their employees ahead of their bottom line.

In this topic - its not about putting employess ahead of their bottom line... but rather a mindset that understands that reducing costs should not be the highest priority item in strategic decisions and that support services aren't just a cost of business but rather an asset that can advance the rest of the company. It's more about how InfoServices is seen in the business strategy of the organization. That's what's significant.
 

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