WDW IT Layoffs 1/30/2015

POLY LOVER

Well-Known Member
this is nothing new in the IT or the customer service world its been going on. Actually it is reversing itself in some businesses once they find that they can't get the quality or customers begin to complain about getting customer service that they can understand.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
No, it's not corporate greed. There is no such thing. A legal entity (that is what a corporation really is) cannot have emotions like greed. Rather, it is the executives of publicly-traded corporation that have to report quarterly improvements to shareholders that have found the quick and easy way to cut costs in the short term, instead of making long term changes that lead to long-term growth.

While obviously no paper construct can have human emotions... the corporation can be operated with emotions such as compassion, empathy, or greed. There is nothing in the structure of public companies that says a corporation must be heart-less or inhuman -- those are all behaviors of people trying to appease an audience that the country has not stood up to as a whole.
 

gsimpson

Well-Known Member
Like others have mentioned I too have witnessed this IT outsourcing, or insourcing, first hand. The company hires an outside consultancy to "manage" their IT and the consultancy (often based in another country) simply replaces US workers with their own workers brought in on H1-B visas. The company, the politicians, the business round table, and of course the Chamber of Commerce will all sing the same "we can't hire qualified local candidates" song which is simply and completely a lie. In the vast majority of cases the imported workers are far less skilled. The corporation likes this for two main reasons, the first and most obvious is they pay a lot less, the second and more insidious reason is they can treat the H1-B workers more or less as slaves because if they lose the job they can't stay in the US so the company can work them overtime without pay, not give them benefits, and get away with it. Needless to say if they even mention the "u" word they are out the door in an instant. This is not the fault of the H1-B visa holders, it isn't even the fault of the corporations, they are simply playing within the rules set up by the money hungry politicians we elect. You will often hear these same politicians parrot the "they have to try to hire US workers first" line, as a company owner who was approached many times by the insourcing consultancies I can tell you that is 100% lie, they don't have to do anything, sign anything, or affirm anything.

Having said all of that, I have gone to Disney multiple times a year since 1977. Usually to WDW several times a year, DLR once or twice a year, and TDR every couple of years but since this happened I have stopped going. I love Disney's product, think it is the superior product as far as theme parks are concerned, and I realize they have the right to run their business in any way they see fit. I also have the right to spend my money at Uni or someplace else. Every trip to WDW was at least 3500-6000 dollars (I usually brought friends or family) and while I know it doesn't that pawltry sum doesn't matter to their accountants if the rest of you who think it is wrong stopped going and discouraged your friends and family from going it might eventually get the message across that when you are highly profitable you don't need to take every penny off the table at the expense of long time employees.
 

POLY LOVER

Well-Known Member
Like others have mentioned I too have witnessed this IT outsourcing, or insourcing, first hand. The company hires an outside consultancy to "manage" their IT and the consultancy (often based in another country) simply replaces US workers with their own workers brought in on H1-B visas. The company, the politicians, the business round table, and of course the Chamber of Commerce will all sing the same "we can't hire qualified local candidates" song which is simply and completely a lie. In the vast majority of cases the imported workers are far less skilled. The corporation likes this for two main reasons, the first and most obvious is they pay a lot less, the second and more insidious reason is they can treat the H1-B workers more or less as slaves because if they lose the job they can't stay in the US so the company can work them overtime without pay, not give them benefits, and get away with it. Needless to say if they even mention the "u" word they are out the door in an instant. This is not the fault of the H1-B visa holders, it isn't even the fault of the corporations, they are simply playing within the rules set up by the money hungry politicians we elect. You will often hear these same politicians parrot the "they have to try to hire US workers first" line, as a company owner who was approached many times by the insourcing consultancies I can tell you that is 100% lie, they don't have to do anything, sign anything, or affirm anything.

Having said all of that, I have gone to Disney multiple times a year since 1977. Usually to WDW several times a year, DLR once or twice a year, and TDR every couple of years but since this happened I have stopped going. I love Disney's product, think it is the superior product as far as theme parks are concerned, and I realize they have the right to run their business in any way they see fit. I also have the right to spend my money at Uni or someplace else. Every trip to WDW was at least 3500-6000 dollars (I usually brought friends or family) and while I know it doesn't that pawltry sum doesn't matter to their accountants if the rest of you who think it is wrong stopped going and discouraged your friends and family from going it might eventually get the message across that when you are highly profitable you don't need to take every penny off the table at the expense of long time employees.

I,m no defender of outsourcing but this is nothing new. I say the decision makers have the control to do it or not do it. It's the almighty buck that they are chasing and willing to do anything that it takes regardless of who it hurts.
How much is enough ? Under current capitalism there is never enough and any move can be justified. Remember Disney is a multi-national company and exports U.S. workers to other country's, I,m sure they feel Americans are taking their jobs too.
I still say greed is at the root.
 

toolsnspools

Well-Known Member
If corporations actually paid that rate, we wouldn't have a deficit. What they actually pay is much less

http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/01/news/economy/corporate-tax-rate/
Instead of creating a system where companies contribute a standard low rate, we've created one where the only way to survive as a business is to find ways around the IRS. So dodging our massive government bureaucracy has become the standard practice, for those who can afford it. Sorry if you're a small business that gets crushed in the process.

I try not to get political on these boards, so I'll drop out or the conversation here. At least for another 7 months...
 

POLY LOVER

Well-Known Member
Instead of creating a system where companies contribute a standard low rate, we've created one where the only way to survive as a business is to find ways around the IRS. So dodging our massive government bureaucracy has become the standard practice, for those who can afford it. Sorry if you're a small business that gets crushed in the process.

I try not to get political on these boards, so I'll drop out or the conversation here. At least for another 7 months...


Politics will ruin this board so let's do as you say.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Imagine if everyone paid the same percentage of thier income for Federal taxes ?

I Maa gin a aation.....

that takes it a different direction... point was not that we should have flat taxes or not... but rather that pointing out businesses using deductions is hypocritical because all tax payers do it.. and deductions are not just about people not paying taxes, but rather how the government can influence people and behaviors.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Looks like some contracts or NDAs are beginning to expire, because people are showing their faces now.

http://www.mysuncoast.com/news/loca...cle_d8867148-7d8c-11e5-ae40-fb05081380c1.html

Another yawner... the people are probably just being quoted now because they have new jobs or have finally gotten over the idea of working for Disney again.

Maybe its a shocker for some people... but that is how most big corporate entities work with layoffs... its about shutting down groups and divisions... so both good and bad get caught up in it. It's a fact of life you have to accept when you work for a big company. Companies that try to go one by one with people open themselves up to lawsuits.. so the HR model has evolved to 'across the board' when possible and offer people rehire opportunities (which are usually impossible to get).

Layoffs aren't just get rid of the deadwood... that's something alot of people haven't realized it seems.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
Another yawner... the people are probably just being quoted now because they have new jobs or have finally gotten over the idea of working for Disney again.

Maybe its a shocker for some people... but that is how most big corporate entities work with layoffs... its about shutting down groups and divisions... so both good and bad get caught up in it. It's a fact of life you have to accept when you work for a big company. Companies that try to go one by one with people open themselves up to lawsuits.. so the HR model has evolved to 'across the board' when possible and offer people rehire opportunities (which are usually impossible to get).

Layoffs aren't just get rid of the deadwood... that's something alot of people haven't realized it seems.

Every company wants content/product/etc but no company wants to have to pay for it.
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
Another yawner... the people are probably just being quoted now because they have new jobs or have finally gotten over the idea of working for Disney again.

Maybe its a shocker for some people... but that is how most big corporate entities work with layoffs... its about shutting down groups and divisions... so both good and bad get caught up in it. It's a fact of life you have to accept when you work for a big company. Companies that try to go one by one with people open themselves up to lawsuits.. so the HR model has evolved to 'across the board' when possible and offer people rehire opportunities (which are usually impossible to get).

Layoffs aren't just get rid of the deadwood... that's something alot of people haven't realized it seems.

And if it turns out that Disney and the various tech staffing subcontractors they worked with willingly engaged in a widespread violation of H1-B visa regulations, as is currently being investigated by the federal Department of Labor, your reaction is still "Yawn"?
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
And if it turns out that Disney and the various tech staffing subcontractors they worked with willingly engaged in a widespread violation of H1-B visa regulations, as is currently being investigated by the federal Department of Labor, your reaction is still "Yawn"?

frankly that is a different topic than the storyline of 'John Doe was a highly rated employee, and was shocked when he was laid off' -- which is pretty much the lead in for all of these sob story pieces.

The H1B problem isn't ever going to come back to Disney as a legal issue.. they aren't the ones hiring them. Where Disney and the other giants will get the press is because they are the enablers and the ones buying into the model being put out by all these contracting firms.

I think the abuse of the H1B topic is a problem.. but it's not really a Disney problem. Disney's problem is clearly with their management and approach towards IT.
 

Creathir

Well-Known Member
frankly that is a different topic than the storyline of 'John Doe was a highly rated employee, and was shocked when he was laid off' -- which is pretty much the lead in for all of these sob story pieces.

The H1B problem isn't ever going to come back to Disney as a legal issue.. they aren't the ones hiring them. Where Disney and the other giants will get the press is because they are the enablers and the ones buying into the model being put out by all these contracting firms.

I think the abuse of the H1B topic is a problem.. but it's not really a Disney problem. Disney's problem is clearly with their management and approach towards IT.

As a software engineer, I can tell you I will never go work for this organization because who knows when they may pull the rug out from under me.

I'd hate to be a Disney tech recruiter right now...
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
As a software engineer, I can tell you I will never go work for this organization because who knows when they may pull the rug out from under me.

I'd hate to be a Disney tech recruiter right now...

as an IT guy got a fortune 300 company... I can tell you this happens everywhere... not just Disney...they just get all the bad publicity. How do we know the people or person they let go wouldn't have been let go anyways for their performance?
 

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