danlb_2000
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Do you are saying it was a bad idea for me to get into the buggy whip manufacturing business!?
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WDW IT Layoffs 1/30/2015
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Do you are saying it was a bad idea for me to get into the buggy whip manufacturing business!?
flynnibus
Premium Member
Nope.. and I do support the idea of opportunity... I'd rather have a country full of eager, hard working people than a population raised to depend on big brother for everything. However, I don't condone bypassing the rules as a means to an end... and I do believe in nationalism to a degree that it's not our job to roll over for the rest of the world's problems. No harm in being selfish a bit when dealing with ensuring we have a strong future.
Only if you racked up 8yrs of student loans so you could major in post-modern whip design
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
I agree completely. The companies that abuse these programs need to be held accountable.
And frankly IMO they should be reinvesting in their own country and communities.
flynnibus
Premium Member
too little motivation to do so when these companies are so big and the next state over is always there with their pants already around their ankles ready to try to invite them over to their side of the border.
very little good comes as a companies grow to these sizes
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
too little motivation to do so when these companies are so big and the next state over is always there with their pants already around their ankles ready to try to invite them over to their side of the border.
very little good comes as a companies grow to these sizes
I hope people realize we're not bashing JUST Disney, rather I'm bashing any company that behaves this way. Google, Apple, anyone.
All of these tax incentives they get? They should be penalized if they leave that community. Very simple, IMO. Gotta cut both ways.
MaryJaneP
Well-Known Member
overqualified? overeducated? For most service related jobs, this is probably true of most high schools graduates in this country. It is also hard to imagine maintaining certain standards of living on minimum wage jobs. Is there a de-education or de-qualification system?
Nubs70
Well-Known Member
Your definition of service industry is too narrow. Service Industry also includes areas such as IT, Finance, and many other forms of industry that are not manufacturing and farming.
Donald Razorduck
Well-Known Member
I recently purchased a new pair of Keens, assembled in the USOFA in a new facility. As automation becomes even more proficient you will see more come back. The jobs will be in the tech and maintenance fields and they will pay well. When Nike gets some of theirs further along, they will start on shoring again as well as the labor needs are outweighed by transport/supply chain costs. It's slow and it's painful. But I've seen a Vietnamese outfit set up in Arkansas to supply products to IKEA as it expands stateside. It's highly automated particle board crap that doesn't require lots of labor.
On the jobs not being filled, that's what happens when entitlements pay better than jobs and is killing work ethic.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
No, companies like WalMart and Disney freely admit that they use "entitlements" as an excuse not to pay a real wage. They feel that the government assistance makes up for it.
Creathir
Well-Known Member
Being in IT, I have witnessed this very practice first hand.
It is one thing for a honest working immigrant who wants to earn the same competitive wage the rest of us does to want to come over and make a better life for themselves.
It is something complete different when it is being in bulk and in mass for entire departments, with the sole purpose to find workers willing to accept less money and a move around the world. One thing NO ONE thinks about with this stuff is that there is a reason the wage is where it is for the job being performed.
The cost of living and competitiveness of the job market dictates wage. The kicker here is these poor folks think they are getting a cushy stateside job, but the pay is at times 20% less than normal (the whole cost cutting portion) but cost of living is not. A normal worker would just find a different employer to get a job with if wage was not enough. These folks are stuck. They belong to the company. Their visa is good for this employer alone. They leave the job, they have to leave the company. It is disgusting.
Bad news for the replacements, bad news for the workers they replace, bad news for the customers of the company (internal and external), bad news for the local job market, and in the end will be bad news for the company stock holders.
The only people this benefits is the management in the short term. Period.
Absolutely appalling.
It is one thing for a honest working immigrant who wants to earn the same competitive wage the rest of us does to want to come over and make a better life for themselves.
It is something complete different when it is being in bulk and in mass for entire departments, with the sole purpose to find workers willing to accept less money and a move around the world. One thing NO ONE thinks about with this stuff is that there is a reason the wage is where it is for the job being performed.
The cost of living and competitiveness of the job market dictates wage. The kicker here is these poor folks think they are getting a cushy stateside job, but the pay is at times 20% less than normal (the whole cost cutting portion) but cost of living is not. A normal worker would just find a different employer to get a job with if wage was not enough. These folks are stuck. They belong to the company. Their visa is good for this employer alone. They leave the job, they have to leave the company. It is disgusting.
Bad news for the replacements, bad news for the workers they replace, bad news for the customers of the company (internal and external), bad news for the local job market, and in the end will be bad news for the company stock holders.
The only people this benefits is the management in the short term. Period.
Absolutely appalling.
Donald Razorduck
Well-Known Member
Snap(food stamps back in the day) is one of the biggest forms of corporate welfare there is. It great contributes to unhealthy living that jacks up health care costs. Poor kids in the depression weren't obese, they are today. Wonder why? What's allowed for purchase under SNAP benefits. Red Bull, check. Twinkies, Oreos and Doritos? Yep. It's truly pathetic. I recently saw a Walmart receipt that had three 20oz Cokes for 1.70 paid via SNAP when 2 liters were 1.25. It's a pathetic system and a disgrace and an exact opposite of the WIC program which is ran right and should be the model. But... let's not hurt anyone's feelings by restricting products like bubble gum.
yedliW
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It may not be PC to say.. (and it's getting off topic..) but instead of giving people money on a debit card for food stamps, they should be given actual food.. beans.. rice.. potatoes.. ground beef.. fresh veggies.. etc.. It has become too comfortable to live on welfare. The stigma has come out of it. That stigma used to be the motivation to find a job. It may have not been the best job.. but you did what you had to in order to provide for your family.. that is how we got through the depression.
Donald Razorduck
Well-Known Member
That is basically WIC, that stands for Womem, Infants, and Children. It's usually through county health departments. Based on dietary needs, you get a voucher for certain items for certain time spans. Things like what you mention, beans, certain cereals, peanut butter, eggs, milk, 100% juice and so on. You are required to buy the cheapest and/or approved products. No Frosted Flakes or Fruity Pebbles.back when food stamps were it's own form of money. There was nothing smaller than a 1 dollar coupon. That allowed a person to buy a 5 cent now and later candy and get 95 cents back as this was tax free purchases. Mother's would give each of their children a dollar coupon (usually three or four) and then she would collect the real money change and then buy cuts and a 40oz beer. I saw this played put day after day and hour by hour. Since there's no I'd requirements, drug addicts would just sell them for 30 to 50 cents on the dollar to buy drugs. They EBT cards are still bartered this way today. The ability to buy junk and trade for real currency is as rampant today as ever. Everyone needs to work a month in an economically depressed area in a grocery store and get out of their suburban islands of blindness and get a clue as to how it really works.
As a farming family, we started to bring in migrant crews to crop cotton. It was cheaper than herbicides back then and hind sight, much better for the environment. It was that crew leaders would round up local youths to do this during the summer but it became harder and harder to get her up a local crew because there was no incentive unless it was for cash money.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Corporate Welfare is far more dangerous to this country than helping its citizens who cant afford to buy food.
Donald Razorduck
Well-Known Member
Archer Daniels Midland, corn syrup kingpins
They double dip because of ethanol subsides on corn.
Pepsico with soda, frito lay, gatorade and on under it's umbrella.
Trump targeted Nabisco and their moving to Mexico. No different than M&M/Mars moving production to Canada. Sugar prices are half there because to protectionist tariffs safeguarding a virtual monopoly for US Sugar.
Americans are so ignorant of all of this, it's astounding.
Phil12
Well-Known Member
But, the kids won't get as fat drinking three 20oz Cokes as opposed to a 2 liter Coke. That extra 7.5 ounces of Coke will make those kids fat! I think the extra cost is an investment in helping this generation of kids to slim down and be healthy.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Companies should be penalized for such shameful behavior.
If they (allegedly) have tHe rights of Citizens of this nation, they need to pay their fair share. (I still don't believe a corporation has the same rights as a person but that's an argument for a different place)
Trying to bring this somewhat back to relevance.... Disney and all the other h-1b abusers should be penalized heavily IMO.
Nubs70
Well-Known Member
Did WDW file for TRA on the employees?
yedliW
Well-Known Member
Another thing that is done in NY, is people would buy several cases of bottled water with their EBT cards, take them into the parking lot, and pour all of the bottles out, and return the empties for the nickle deposit for each bottle.. do that for a few cases, and you have enough for a pack of smokes.. or a 6 pack of cheap beer.. or something else that isn't covered by SNAP..
POLY LOVER
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SIMPLY CORPORATE GREED ! that's all. Dilute your business and you eventually kill the business.