WDW Awakens ...

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I think the same thing of Toontown.

The execution has always been the make or break. It's why great ideas like New Fantasyland can be total duds and seemingly terrible ideas like Carsland turn into the envy of WDW fans.

Yes, I'd prefer a third park obviously.

I could argue Toontown's merits all night. It was themed to the characters, a home for them. You may not like the execution -- and I don't believe it has held up well myself -- but from a placement standpoint, I have no thematic issues. But a huge key difference is that Toontown basically went into unused expansion/backstage areas and didn't substantially alter the park.

Star Wars is totally a game-changer. It is huge. It is taking a chunk of real estate that won't be repurposed in our lifetimes. And it is fundamentally changing parts of the park that Walt himself designed and that are largely timeless.

And let's stay away from Not New No Mo'e Fantasyland. Style it has, although I'd argue the merits of it. Substance it lacks. Completely.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I could be incorrect, but wasn't the name "first broken" on the Disneyland special when Harrison Ford said it? I don't recall anyone here mentioning the name before then, including yourself.

The first post I see you mentioned "Star Wars Experience" is this one from March 19. The Disneyland TV special was Feb 21. It was even talked about in this thread where people were doing play by play of the DL special.

I believe I first mentioned it last year in passing because it wasn't fully decided (or at least that is what I was told). And I mentioned it a few times since (not sure when, I don't care about keeping track of every word I put here) ... I never saw the DL/Disney IP commercial from Feb., so you want to give Han Solo (HE IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD ... but don't be surprised to see him in future films) credit by all means do so.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Does this dude blog about Disney every other day? Seems like it ...

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...-18-but-it-hasnt.aspx?source=eptfxblnk0000004
Seems to but you notice his articles are not glowing endorsements of Disney and their business practices liberally sprinkled with pixie dust.

They read more like something one would find here and the insiders here are pretty good at breaking news but let's face it the chinks in Disneys armor do exist all that's needed is a real investigative journalist to exploit them

And the fact that they are on the Motley Fool and Yahoo mean they get read by ordinary people not just theme park fans. I can't imagine that Disney is pleased about this at all
 
Last edited:

gmajew

Premium Member
But part of that is Disney's own reputation. Remember the joke in Honey, I Shrunk the Audience, where Nick says, "to tell Dad to hurry, before one of those Disney sweeping people comes by." Or how Disney says "they employ 50,000 sweepers" because every CM is responsible for picking up trash, and the area managers walk around with their little sticks. Disney has "trained" people, "This is Disney, someone will take care of it, no problem." Same thing like at Chick-Fil-A or a few other places where when they see you handling trash, they tell you, "Don't worry about it, that's MY job." Eventually people learn, and don't worry. It's a problem when the staffing doesn't match up with the expectations the organization is selling.


There is an expectation st Disney to not pee over the floor or on the seats cause the clean it? Man people are just disgusting now. This is not all on Disney.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
I too lived the Disney Decade, Disney NOW is a pale shadow of what it was then and it was nowhere near as expensive as it is now, Heck a bunch of us (4) after college rented a treehouse (we were all government employees GS-11/12's) in the early 90's and we could easily afford a week at Disney and do just about everything
When my brother and friends drove to WDW in May 1983 to get our first look at Epcot, we stayed offsite at a campsite. :)

Our 3-day hopper ticket was $35 (with tax). With minimum wage at $3.35, that was less than 11 hours of work for someone earning at the bottom of the pay scale. And both theme parks were spotless!

Today, a 3-day hopper ticket costs $367.43. With minimum wage at $7.25/hour, that's over 50 hours of work. :(

Currently, the most progressive attempts to increase minimum wage target $15/hour by 2022. Yet Disney will tack on 6 more years of price increases by then. Over the last 6 years, WDW tickets have increased an average of 35%. At that pace, it's still going to cost about 33 hours of work even if the minimum wage is more than doubled by 2022!

There once was a time when WDW really was much more affordable.

And, if anyone asks, heck yes, I'd take 3 days at the 1983 versions of the Magic Kingdom and Epcot over 3 days at today's versions of those same parks in a nanosecond.

This year's price increases are the biggest since 2006.

At WDW, what's really "awakened" are price increases. :greedy:

I wonder if they highlighted that during last week's media event. :rolleyes:
 

Kman101

Well-Known Member
When my brother and friends drove to WDW in May 1983 to get our first look at Epcot, we stayed offsite at a campsite. :)

Our 3-day hopper ticket was $35 (with tax). With minimum wage at $3.35, that was less than 11 hours of work for someone earning at the bottom of the pay scale. And both theme parks were spotless!

Today, a 3-day hopper ticket costs $367.43. With minimum wage at $7.25/hour, that's over 50 hours of work. :(

Currently, the most progressive attempts to increase minimum wage target $15/hour by 2022. Yet Disney will tack on 6 more years of price increases by then. Over the last 6 years, WDW tickets have increased an average of 35%. At that pace, it's still going to cost about 33 hours of work even if the minimum wage is more than doubled by 2022!

There once was a time when WDW really was much more affordable.

And, if anyone asks, heck yes, I'd take 3 days at the 1983 versions of the Magic Kingdom and Epcot over 3 days at today's versions of those same parks in a nanosecond.

This year's price increases are the biggest since 2006.

At WDW, what's really "awakened" are price increases. :greedy:

I wonder if they highlighted that during last week's media event. :rolleyes:

Everyone needs to read this. Such an eye opener.
 

UncleMike101

Well-Known Member
There is an expectation st Disney to not pee over the floor or on the seats cause the clean it? Man people are just disgusting now. This is not all on Disney.
It's not just at Disney.
Go into any public restroom in any area where people congregate and you'll find pee all around the toilets.
Apparently many guys carry a shotgun instead of a rifle.

No it's not but the appropriate response is NOT to cut back on custodial service when parks reportedly are at RECORD attendance levels.
Yup....
But the people making those decisions use the Executive Restroom, not the ones that their customers, who pay their wages, use.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
It's not just at Disney.
Go into any public restroom in any area where people congregate and you'll find pee all around the toilets.
Some are under the misconception that people have gotten worse.

From first-hand experience, public restrooms were disgusting in the 1970s.

WDW's weren't.

That's the point. Disney used to be different.

P.S. By the way, guys wearing suits and making a lot of cash also pee on the seat. I guess that's why we have a custodial staff clean the toilets hourly even at our low-traffic restrooms. ;)

It just takes cash to keep a restroom clean. I guess when it's someone else's restroom, Disney executives have a different standard of cleanliness. :banghead:
 
Last edited:

UncleMike101

Well-Known Member
Some are under the misconception that people have gotten worse.

From first-hand experience, public restrooms were disgusting in the 1970s.

WDW's weren't.

That's the point. Disney used to be different.

P.S. By the way, guys wearing suits and making a lot of cash also pee on the seat. I guess that's why we have a custodial staff clean the tiolets hourly even at our low-traffic restrooms. ;)
Yup.....
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Some are under the misconception that people have gotten worse.

From first-hand experience, public restrooms were disgusting in the 1970s.

WDW's weren't.

That's the point. Disney used to be different.
Disney still is different. In general a public restroom at WDW is much, much cleaner than one at the beach or a sports arena/stadium or some other equivalent venue with massive crowds. When comparing WDW to its own past cleanliness may have slipped but it's still pretty clean in general.
 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom