Watchmen Watch Thread

dxwwf3

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How was it delt with in the book?

I'm sure it won't be hard to find online. And to keep this as spoiler free as possible, the endings are pretty similar, but the book sounds a little wackier. To me (without actually reading the book, mind you) it seems the movie ending fits in with the story a lot better than that of the book. There might be a plot hole or two with the movie ending (as Wilt brought up), but overall the ending to the book sounds pretty odd.
 

EpcotServo

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So upon further inspection, I'm not sure I like the new ending as much as I did at first...only because what are people supposed to do to deal with the threat they believe exists? What CAN they do? It's not like a US-Soviet satellite and missile cooperative is going to be any use against...you know. It seems like if...you know...became a threat, we'd all just be screwed. Thoughts?

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There's nothing they can do, that's the point. Now they wouldn't risk destroying themselves since Dr. Manhattan may do it at any time. The nations will work together to rebuild, and live under the even-greater threat of Dr. Manhattan. Now honestly you can argue that that wouldn't matter, but come on. Squid is even worse. I mean, what is the defense risk? More Squids plopping down? Chances are likely that there won't be more, since it obliviously dies on entry. It's a great ending no doubt, but in all honesty, war would be postponed longer after worldwide destruction and Dr. Manhattan to blame than ONE alien beast killing millions in a kamikaze attack.

"No. Not something we can Fight, just something to Fear..."
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Number_6

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Just got back from seeing it in IMAX. Sort of a last minute thing where I decided I actually had the time to go tonight and there were still tickets available for the 7pm show. Got there just after 6pm, managed to be one of the first ones let into the theater and got a good seat. Overall, I thought the movie was good. I think if I had read it again before going to watch it(it's been about 8 years since the only time I got to read it), I probably would have enjoyed it even more. But yeah, I'm glad I got to see it, but I don't see myself trying to get out to the theaters to watch it again like some people are doing. Then again, I rarely go and see any movies more than once in the theaters.
 

Wilt Dasney

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I agree that book ending is definitely...stranger...than movie ending, and movie ending is more plausible in the context of the story. I said that right up front.

Servo's theory of why movie ending would be a deterrant is one way around the problem. Another thought I had was that the Americans and Soviets see movie ending as a kind of "wrath" or punishment for escalating the arms race, and thus disarm as a way to avoid more incidents of the like. The movie never explicitly says that, but it seems like a better possibility than teaming up to try and defeat the threat, so I guess I'll just assume that's why they react the way they did. On the whole, it's definitely a better narrative approach.

Also, Servo said he thinks movie ending would be more likely to lead to a LASTING peace, and that was one of my biggest issues with the book...the threat there might have caused everybody to sing Kumbaya for a while, but honestly, I think the only way to maintain the peace after the book ends would be for [Villain?] to keep doing what he did on occasion to shock everybody back into a state of fear. Assuming I'm right, that might be the most disturbing aspect of the book's ending...the idea that [Villain?]'s plan would need to be carried out over and over to maintain its effectiveness. Brr...
 

EpcotServo

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That's good. Seems like both the movie and the book leave you with some food for thought.
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Also let it be (Non-spoilery) told that Watchmen pays great tribute to said episode of The Outer Limits, "The Architects of Fear". I was SO pleased they payed a bit of tribute to the show in the Film.
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Wilt Dasney

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I just realized my previous post is maybe a bit too spoilery. Care to re-quote me, Servo, so your response doesn't give away what I changed? :lol:
 

Lee

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I prefer the movie ending. The squid was just....ummm....silly. I seriously put the book down at that point and had to walk away for bit, because I thought "Well...they had me up until that squid thing."

I like the way Dan answers Laurie.
She says something like "Do you think we'll be safe?"
He replies "As long as they think Jon's watching."
Kinda like Dr. M had said "Now, don't make me have to come seperate you two!"

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imagineer boy

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It was kinda weird with Ozymandias at the end, he ended up doing sort of a good thing but you still wanted Nite Owl to beat the crap out of him. :lol: One thing I noticed was that his costume was very Joel Schumacher batman looking, I wonder if there was somthing symbolic about that?
 

Wilt Dasney

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:lol: One thing I noticed was that his costume was very Joel Schumacher batman looking, I wonder if there was somthing symbolic about that?
There was. Snyder said he intended it to be a send-up of the superhero movie, like the novel was a send-up of comics.

BTW, could you maybe get rid of the character names in your post, IB? We're trying to be as vague about the ending as we can, for the benefit of the uninitiated. :)
 

Number_6

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*Technically, the Squid was in the movie. The sign behind Ozy when he was on video conference with Doc said SQUID. It was an abbreviation for the project they were working on. I didn't notice it in time to see what the abbreviation stood for, but it was a SQUID that caused the destruction of New York City... just not the squid you were expecting.*









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WDWmazprty

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Just wanted to say tht I saw Watchmen this weekend, and it was pretty good. I didn't like the way the eneding turned out too much, could've been better. But all in all I think it was a success. :sohappy:

By the way, that Silk Spectre was so hot! :D
 

Timmay

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So, I saw it twice this weekend as well. Had to see it the second time just to figure out what I missed, I was so giddy the first time.

I think the first showing I was a bit disappointed…it was just like the book. I know that sounds silly, but nothing really jumped out at me as exciting. But then again, I was so giddy, maybe that played a part.

Then I went a saw it with my 13 year old son (I know, I know…lousy father…lol) and his 16 year old cousin. This time, I really, really got into it. I mean I thought it was fantastic and it blew me away. There were so many little things I missed the first time…like when Adrian is talking to the auto industry guys and the lobby music is playing “Everybody Wants To Rule The World” and the Outer Limits Episode. There is so much of it, it’s hard to list it all.

I think this was probably the best use of music in a movie I have ever seen or heard. After the second viewing, the only thing I can really complain about are a couple of the CGI shots in Antarctica and on Mars.

So, my son got the whole thing…I mean it didn’t go over his head at all. His cousin just hated the movie. He started explaining all the things he didn’t get, like why if they were really heroes had come they had so many problems, how come Manhattan stopped caring about humans even though he used to be one, how did you know when things were taking place…and my son answered all his questions, which made him really mad.

One comment…this movie is about one or two years ahead of it’s time. When we get the huge rush of superhero movies over the next 18 months, Watchmen would have had a much bigger impact on the hero loving movie goers…just like the book did to the same type of folks back in the 80’s. Kind of changed our outlook on those comic heroes ever since.
 

imagineer boy

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There was. Snyder said he intended it to be a send-up of the superhero movie, like the novel was a send-up of comics.

The thing is, he's sort of an anti-hero and the Joel Schumacher batman movies were not only an atrocity against batman but an atrocity against super hero movies as a whole so there's kind of a connection there.
 

EpcotServo

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So, my son got the whole thing…I mean it didn’t go over his head at all. His cousin just hated the movie. He started explaining all the things he didn’t get, like why if they were really heroes had come they had so many problems, how come Manhattan stopped caring about humans even though he used to be one, how did you know when things were taking place…and my son answered all his questions, which made him really mad.

He FAILED the Watchmen test.

Tell him nothing cool will ever be relevant to him.
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Oh, this is cool: Dave Gibbons wins this round over reality!
http://www.msss.com/education/happy_face/happy_face.html
 

Wilt Dasney

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So...the Black Freighter/Under the Hood DVD. When is that out? I keep coming across March 10 and March 24 when I Google it. It apparently isn't in any of the local Blockbusters, so I'm guessing the 3/24 date is the right one.
 

EpcotServo

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So...the Black Freighter/Under the Hood DVD. When is that out? I keep coming across March 10 and March 24 when I Google it. It apparently isn't in any of the local Blockbusters, so I'm guessing the 3/24 date is the right one.

Yes, pretty sure it's the 24 one.
 

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