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News Walt Disney World's COVID-19 reopening plans announced - July 11
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Right... isn't that what I just said?
DisneyCane
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It is not enforceable from the standpoint of any kind of criminal penalty. You can only enforce laws. Executive orders are not laws. They are supposed to be for the exercise of powers granted to the mayor/Governor/President by an existing law. The executive giving the order doesn't have carte blanche to order whatever they feel like, even if it is in the best interest of the citizens.
Even to kick people out of a business for not wearing one, they would need consent and request of the owner. Police need probable cause (well, at least they are supposed to) to enter without permission. Suspicion of somebody violating a mayor's executive order is not valid probable cause for anything.
The other issue with these face covering requirements is that there is no real standard for an effective face covering. Somebody could make one out of a really thin, light breathable fabric that pretty much defeats the entire purpose just to be in compliance. This goes for people at WDW also. Like those fishing sunblock coverings (whatever they are called). They are designed to block UV, not respiratory droplets. Do they even do anything for this?
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MrHappy
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New York is the biggest mess? Um. You might want to Google that.
Most states have 'law laws' from their legislative branch that give the executive branch (the governor and state agencies) the power to create administrative laws as you said. So, for example, the state legislature doesn't determine what the speed limit will be for every road in the state, but it gives the executive's department of transportation the authority to make those determinations. And it is enforced by the police and judicial branch and you can be fined and/or imprisoned for breaking a merely administrative determination of a speed limit for a particular road.
And most states give the executive branch the authority to come up with all sorts of ad hoc rulings during times of emergencies including health emergencies. In NJ, after weeks of warnings, citizens were getting citations for breaking the rules the governor made. Citations from the police. Businesses that opened when they weren't supposed to were getting citations. Courts were ordering them to close based on the governor's rules, and not any from the legislature, except for the fact the legislature gave NJ governors the powers to come up with such administrative laws for emergencies long ago.
Yes, governors just can't make up anything they dream of on a capricious whim. But when there's an emergency, they have the power to make up laws regarding that emergency as given them previously by the legislature. Administrative decrees based on emergency power laws are given deference by judges unless it's a very clear overreach.
So... yeah. Not following your governor's emergency directives can be criminal and lead to fines/imprisonment.
You're welcome to test it the next time your local administrative official declares a curfew in response to an emergency and you just stay out as long as you like. You can explain to the judge that that wasn't a real law because the time of that curfew wasn't passed by your local council or legislature. See how that goes.
mickeymiss
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I don't want to derail the thread. I was just feeling like Florida has been getting picked on as the "worst" with nowhere near the fatality rate of NY, NJ, etc. Time will tell but the surge in FL could be from protests and/or a natural jump from being open in general. All states will encounter that when they open which most are about to. California is having a similar spike and they aren't as open as FL. I don't get the Florida hate personally.
Carry on...✌
dmw
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- In the Parks
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Hmmm... walking 4-5 miles per day at WDW certainly sounds like exercising to me. Would that count for exception a. v. ?
Events/experiences that have been updated to say they will be unavailable - (h/t @ScottGustin on Twitter)
*Miniature golf will be unavailable during the initial reopening period
*Miniature golf will be unavailable during the initial reopening period
My point was it’s an incredible outlay of cash for a refundable hotel room.
Horizons '83
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- In the Parks
- No
So they have been stating that for some time now, at least since last year but I can't remember if they did indeed take the entire amount or just the one night. I know in the past it was just the 1 night's deposit, I'll have to check my old history and see what they did.
mickeymiss
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I feel like an outsider because I'm not bothered too much without having fireworks, parades, tours, etc. We never do that stuff. We have our hands full getting around the park lol.
Mainahman
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Its like we are the same person. We parade dodge, and sometime firework dodge to get attractions. My nephew was disappointed that we lost the MNSSHP, but really wants to ride em all, so were still in! I just want to eat the foods!
DisneyOutsider
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DisneyCane
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Curfews (at least in Florida) can be legal enforceable under provisions of the Florida Statutes. There is a whole section titled "AFFRAYS; RIOTS; ROUTS; UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLIES " which gives the local government certain powers that are considered a misdemeanor if violated.
I have not been able to find a single reference to masks (well, in a health context) or facial coverings anywhere in the statutes. As an aside, the reason that I do not believe there was legal justification (at least specifically in Florida) for the stay at home orders are these two definitions in the Florida Statutes:
It is not, from a legal perspective, reasonable to believe that somebody that doesn't show any symptoms or wasn't found to be in close contact with an infected person is either infected or exposed.
The business restrictions are far more complex legally but blanket orders (like were done here in Broward) that you are not allowed off of your property except for specific "essential" reasons are 100% not legal per the Florida statutes. They never tried to actually enforce it as far as I am aware.
Miss Bella
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It's not the non-refundable rate. All rates are saying pay in full. Weird I'm going to call them.
Miss Bella
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The website said the same thing back in April when I booked a room, but I ended up only getting charged one night.
GoofGoof
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It’s not hate its just facts. Back in March and April when the epicenter of the virus was NY/NJ/CT there was a ton of media coverage on that. The mayor of NYC took a lot of heat for waiting too long to shut down schools and shut down the subways. It’s all based on facts. FL even went as far as implementing a travel ban on those states (talk about being “picked on”). Things are looking much better in the Northeast now. That’s not the case in TX or FL or CA. Those are large states with an uptick in cases. FL in particular gets a lot of focus due to the fact that this is a WDW site. Less people here care about a surge in cases in Utah.I don't want to derail the thread. I was just feeling like Florida has been getting picked on as the "worst" with nowhere near the fatality rate of NY, NJ, etc. Time will tell but the surge in FL could be from protests and/or a natural jump from being open in general. All states will encounter that when they open which most are about to. California is having a similar spike and they aren't as open as FL. I don't get the Florida hate personally.
Carry on...✌
All states are in some phase of reopening. Some are seeing an uptick in cases and some are not. So far the states like FL that opened vey fast and with few statewide restrictions are seeing a larger upticks in cases. In PA where I live we are also re-opening but at a slower pace with more social distancing and mandatory mask rules. It seems to be working so far as businesses are opening and cases are still dropping. In cities like Philadelphia we have seen large protest rallies and still no uptick in cases. I do think that people going to protests without masks is a problem and will eventually result in an uptick in cases...same as people going to a bar or a water park and doing the same thing. So what you are seeing as FL hate is just people who are critical of the way the re-opening was handled. At least at the local level the mayor of Orange County has stepped up to do something.
heapster411
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Candlelight Processional? Too soon?
PREMiERdrum
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The park reservation launches the morning of Monday, June 22nd. Webinars are taking place this afternoon.
Other details are expected to be released throughout the day today.
Buckle up, folks.
Other details are expected to be released throughout the day today.
Buckle up, folks.