Wait times

TTLUTS

Active Member
Original Poster
A 60 minute wait in an unmovable line means the wait is 70, 80, 90, 100, or more. A 60 minute wait from standing in line to boarding is 60 minutes. So, I really don't understand your point. Yes, time is a constant. But it's how your time is maximized that counts.
When they post wait times, do they say "60 minutes standing still and then you can move for another 60 minutes until you get on the ride"?

no, they say 120 minute wait

please stop, you are being ridiculous
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
A 60 minute wait in an unmovable line means the wait is 70, 80, 90, 100, or more. A 60 minute wait from standing in line to boarding is 60 minutes. So, I really don't understand your point. Yes, time is a constant. But it's how your time is maximized that counts.
I also don’t understand what you are saying. When people talk about lines not moving they’re exaggerating a bit and one where you do actually stand still for 60 minutes without progressing would not be described as a 60 minute wait.

Psychologically people prefer a line that moves more and think it is shorter but that doesn’t correlate to actual overall wait.
 

Trackmaster

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Having experienced it during Thanksgiving week. I found the wait times to be anywhere from 10 to 30 minutes off, and sometimes spot on. If a ride is popular you wait. Honestly with the COVID measure in place, it made the lines actually more bearable in some ways because you didn't have someone on top of you the whole time. It wasn't really awful and we did it with two grade school kids. Did we hit every ride, nope but we also never made it at rope drop, and always left before closing. If we stayed a whole day there is little reason would could not ride most everything. Fast pass is for sure nice so that you can plan your day out more, but I also enjoyed the more spontaneous way to do the park and just see what happens. We happened to wander into Galaxies Edge about an hour or so after the park opened and for whatever reason(I think everyone went straight for the Runaway Mickey) we pretty much walked right onto Smugglers.

I don't really understand how your need for spontaneity would be helped by not having the option to opt of lines. What's spontaneous about being forced to wait in a 2-3 hour standby line that barely moves to get on what you want to get on? I personally love the spontaneity of being able to casually stroll across the midway, grab some food, get some drinks, see a show, etc. as I'm waiting for my comeback time for the coveted ride. I don't find anything spontaneous about being trapped in a line like a caged animal, standing in one place for hours.
 

Trackmaster

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I think that we're just all completely stunned at how long these lines are when we're staring at empty parking lots, empty hotels, and no Fast Pass allocations. Pre-Covid hotels as empty as those, parking lots as empty as those, and FP+ turned off would mean staying in your seat not having to get off on any of those rides.
 

UNCgolf

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I’ve never had to wait for more than 15 mins for Small World or the Carousel with my daughter, even on a holiday weekend pre covid. Checking the app small world is 50 mins, Carousel 40. Little Mermaid was always a walk on, and is showing 30 min. The last time I waited in lines that long was when I was a child in the late 80s early 90s.

I'm pretty sure Mermaid's wait time is always posted at 20-30 minutes even though it's a walk-on. I've been on it twice -- once the posted wait was 20 minutes, the other time the posted wait was 30 minutes. Both times I walked straight through the queue without stopping and boarded the ride.

You shouldn't take the posted wait times at face value; they're almost always inflated.
 

TTLUTS

Active Member
Original Poster
I don't really understand how your need for spontaneity would be helped by not having the option to opt of lines. What's spontaneous about being forced to wait in a 2-3 hour standby line that barely moves to get on what you want to get on? I personally love the spontaneity of being able to casually stroll across the midway, grab some food, get some drinks, see a show, etc. as I'm waiting for my comeback time for the coveted ride. I don't find anything spontaneous about being trapped in a line like a caged animal, standing in one place for hours.
Well said and couldn't agree more........Book your FP+ and if you dont feel like going to it, dont
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I think that we're just all completely stunned at how long these lines are when we're staring at empty parking lots, empty hotels, and no Fast Pass allocations. Pre-Covid hotels as empty as those, parking lots as empty as those, and FP+ turned off would mean staying in your seat not having to get off on any of those rides.
Remember currently the parks OHRC is also reduced.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I don't really understand how your need for spontaneity would be helped by not having the option to opt of lines. What's spontaneous about being forced to wait in a 2-3 hour standby line that barely moves to get on what you want to get on? I personally love the spontaneity of being able to casually stroll across the midway, grab some food, get some drinks, see a show, etc. as I'm waiting for my comeback time for the coveted ride. I don't find anything spontaneous about being trapped in a line like a caged animal, standing in one place for hours.
The joy of spontaneity is not having to micro manage what you want to ride weeks in advance.
 

Trackmaster

Well-Known Member
Well said and couldn't agree more........Book your FP+ and if you dont feel like going to it, dont

I go to a ton of amusement/theme parks, been to most in North America. Never once have I said, "Boy I really wish that I was waiting in a standby line about now."
 

Trackmaster

Well-Known Member
The joy of spontaneity is not having to micro manage what you want to ride weeks in advance.

TBH, you probably don't know how to use FP+, at least not the way that an AP holder who knows what their doing does. If you're using it appropriately, getting on the top rides, and spending almost your entire visit on FP+ and never touching stand-by, you should know that you don't even start looking until the day of.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
I don't really understand how your need for spontaneity would be helped by not having the option to opt of lines. What's spontaneous about being forced to wait in a 2-3 hour standby line that barely moves to get on what you want to get on? I personally love the spontaneity of being able to casually stroll across the midway, grab some food, get some drinks, see a show, etc. as I'm waiting for my comeback time for the coveted ride. I don't find anything spontaneous about being trapped in a line like a caged animal, standing in one place for hours.

Although the advanced FastPass isn't as bad as the ADR for this, they still lock you in to specific parks months in advance of your trip. You don't really have the freedom to change up your plans unless you just don't show up for your FP+, which defeats the purpose of booking one in the first place because now you're no longer getting to skip the line for that ride.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
Correct, but is it reduced by 65% like capacity is? i think not....i think ride capacity is 50%+ and likely closer to 75%

It varies by ride, although I doubt most rides are close to 75% capacity.

You're also forgetting all of the extra people in lines that wouldn't be under normal operations, as I said above. Shows like Festival of the Lion King would normally be eating a ton of people who now are waiting in lines for rides instead because they have no other options.
 

TTLUTS

Active Member
Original Poster
It varies by ride, although I doubt most rides are close to 75% capacity.

You're also forgetting all of the extra people in lines that wouldn't be under normal operations, as I said above. Shows like Festival of the Lion King would normally be eating a ton of people who now are waiting in lines for rides instead because they have no other options.
Its at least 50%....capacity is only at 35%......theoretically waits should be less and as we saw at thanksgiving, they werent...actual wait times were in triple digits for a handful of rides
 

Club Cooloholic

Well-Known Member
The joy of spontaneity is not having to micro manage what you want to ride weeks in advance.
Exactly. I never said I didn't appreciate FP, just I also appreciated the spontaneity of walking the parks and just going on what I was willing to wait for. I spent a lot less time(other than ordering food), staring at my phone , checking my FP times, seeing if something opened up, and my prep for the months and weeks before the trip was far more easier. If I missed a ride, it wasn't the end of the world for me.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
Its at least 50%....capacity is only at 35%......theoretically waits should be less and as we saw at thanksgiving, they werent...actual wait times were in triple digits for a handful of rides

You're thinking that the parks normally reach 100% capacity, though, which isn't remotely the case. 35% capacity might be a normal day (might even be busier than a normal day) at EPCOT. I think it's plausible that wait times should actually be longer right now between the lowered ride capacity and the decrease in other options. There are hundreds and potentially thousands of people (depending on the park) who are now waiting in lines for rides that wouldn't be under regular circumstances.

And it's not like the popular rides aren't well into the triple digits on normal days anyways. I've seen Flight of Passage at 240 minutes before.
 

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